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Sean Morgan 00:00
I'm Sean Morgan and I'm asking the hard questions about alternative topics like Q anon and Coronavirus. Get the free ebook at Q and on faq.com.
Sean Morgan 00:15
I'm here with Sam Parker who is actually running for the Senate. Sam, I discovered you on Twitter. You made an amazing thread about the Coronavirus. Very early on before we're right in the middle of the kind of the chaos storm of no one really had any answers about it, or and none of the journalists were asking good questions. So I was very impressed with that. I made a video about it. So Sam, could you just introduce yourself? Tell us a little bit about yourself and then we'll get into this topic?
Sam Parker 00:42
Sure. Yeah. Appreciate that, Shawn. Yeah, first of all, I would like to say that I ran for the Senate. I'm not currently running for the Senate. I ran against Mitt Romney in 2018. And I didn't win obviously.
Sean Morgan 00:59
But that's God because we we don't like him.
Sam Parker 01:04
Yeah, I know, I know a lot of people don't. And, and one of the reasons why I ran is because I saw that when he was running, it seemed like nobody, nobody was gonna challenge him and he was just gonna, it was just gonna walk on in and I just couldn't let that stand. And when I didn't see people that I was sufficiently satisfied with running against him, I decided that well, if nobody else was going to do it, then tug on it. I will. So that's, that's kind of the short story there. And so I jumped in.
Sam Parker 01:33
And, and, and I'm sorry, no, no, what was the rest of the question? I wanted to
Sean Morgan 01:39
just in general, I was really impressed with your level of scientific knowledge. So I was curious about your background.
Sam Parker 01:45
Yeah. So I graduated from college with a degree in molecular biology. Actually, my experience started before that in high school. I grew up in Washington state and in high school. My high school had a DNA Science program and at the time, it was one of only two high schools in the entire state of Washington that had any sort of DNA science program. And ours was the most extensive. We had our own equipment. We had our own reagents, we had our own lab. I actually did several semesters of my own research and I presented at the Washington Junior science and humanities symposium, my research and I also presented at the Westinghouse Junior science Talent Search. So I had actually a pretty good background in doing my own lab work and molecular biology before I even went to college. And then after I graduated from college, I went to work in research at the University of Utah, the School of Medicine at the Eccles Institute of human genetics, where I did pure research for a few years. And then I moved over to another company called AR up, which is a medical reference testing facility and I was in there Research and Development Institute, right developed diagnostic tests for infectious diseases.
Sean Morgan 03:09
Okay, so you're not just a Joe Schmo like me on Twitter, posting opinions and and stuff about Coronavirus, you actually have a scientific background so you can make sense of a lot of the complexity. So tell me about when this whole thing happened with the when the when the story broke in China, and then you wrote wrote the thread, I'm sure you had to consume a lot of data just to get to the point to be able to write that. What did you notice about the conclusions and the questions you had compared to the mainstream narrative at that time?
Sam Parker 03:47
No, that's a good that's a really good insight. I really like how you say you have to consume a lot of data and I think that anybody who writes a long thread on Twitter knows what you're talking about. Those those threads Don't come out of thin air, right? I had been watching and monitoring this virus since early January. And for several weeks actually right before I maybe like even a month before I wrote that thread. And I was frustrated. I was frustrated by the lack of coverage it was getting in the media and the lack of any sort of attention it was getting from our politicians.
Sam Parker 04:31
And there were other people like me as well
Sam Parker 04:35
that were frustrated with that. A lot of people were calling for the country to be shut down two weeks before it was or at least shut down for any travel from China. I was amongst the right. I saw the danger a lot of people did i i i have to say number one, I don't feel like I'm special. Like I have some sort of insight that was impossible for anybody else to have. There are many People raising this alarm.
Sean Morgan 05:02
I believe I read I retweeted a tweet at that time that was in all caps that said shut down all flights to and from China before the President did it. So yeah it doesn't take a molecular biologist to figure that one out.
Sam Parker 05:18
But I was I was frustrated by the lack the lack of attention it was getting and I was also seeing a narrative starting a narrative start that this was just another outbreak and other you know disease from that you know, somebody ate a bat in China right? And and now and now the world's gonna get sick. And then knowing what I know and and and knowing of the research out there and sort of the tea leaves and the breadcrumbs if you will, anybody who's read read the thread will know what I'm talking about. But I know about the I knew about the explosion and the proliferation of the BSL four labs right these these these these laboratories around the world that research dangerous pathogens, I knew that the money that was being spent on this kind of research even from my days in the air up doing research and development with infectious diseases, I knew that Homeland Security and other government departments were they were throwing money around like crazy doing a lot of biological research and development
Sean Morgan 06:29
to the point that this is a modern bio arms race.
Sam Parker 06:32
Yeah, exactly global I called I called it a hashtag you know, by arms race go global by arms race and, and so I just I as I was following the outbreak and putting together what I already knew, and then reading more articles and sort of getting down into the weeds I just, things just started adding up and just, it seems like it just kept seeming like all these roads kept pointing Towards this virus not being not being natural, and you know, and then there were early papers that were starting to come out, you know, about, you know, the as some of the aspects of this virus. And it just, it just didn't seem like this could could be natural or it seemed like the preponderance of evidence was pointing towards this not being natural. I remember at the very beginning, like everybody thinking, Oh my gosh, what's this next latest virus coming out of China? This is gonna be weird. But then as I got more and more into it and talked, talked it out with some people sussed it out, if you will, it started becoming more and more plausible that this was a bioweapon or at least some sort of artificial lab creation. And then plausibility started giving away to probability every day that went by every week that went by it's this sort of like, every piece of information coming out wasn't making wasn't making it less likely. That it was an artificial lab creation. It was it was making it more likely. Right. And I'm
Sean Morgan 08:07
talking about the we can you talk about the very specific things about this virus that lend itself to this credible theory that it's been manufactured such as the HIV components or the the just you can you can go ahead and tell
Sam Parker 08:26
us it has what scientists call game of function, right, where it has characteristics that are that aren't natural naturally found in other Corona viruses right. It shares characteristics with with other viruses outside of the outside of Coronavirus for instance, perhaps HIV, perhaps Ebola. It has. It has Chi Merrick products parties and biology what Chi mera means is a, it's a, it's a fusion of two or more different sources, source materials, if you will, to use an analogy. You know, in Legos, if you had, you can get you know, pieces of Legos that are this size, or you can take two that are this size and put them together to make one that's the size right? That's a that would be sort of like a chi mera where you take different pieces and mix them imagine to make something new. So that so that something has characteristics of more than one more than one organism, right. And so, there there was research coming out that this had a primary properties that that some of the proteins and and structures of this particular Coronavirus didn't seem to have any provenance from any known Coronavirus and it looked like it had sequences that were from other viruses. It also there was research that came out that showed that at the beginning, this had very little genetic diversity in its genome type. And this pointed to a very recent emergence out into the wild, if you will, because we know that these viruses, by their nature, they mutate very rapidly. And because there were very, so much, so few mutations at the time and seen that the conclusion of researchers was well, this, this emerged recently, and not just recently, but from a single source. So
Sean Morgan 10:47
it's amazing that none none of what you have said in the last couple of seconds or minutes Have I ever heard on mainstream media.
Sam Parker 10:56
Yeah, and so seems like it just
Sean Morgan 10:57
a one on one type of description of what you We'll talk about an ask regarding very,
Sam Parker 11:01
very fresh. That's one of the things that frustrated me was that. So there were kind of two themes. There were two themes right to my to my mega thread. That's, that's pinned on my Twitter. For anybody who doesn't know, my Twitter is Sam Parker Senate. So it's just Twitter at Sam Parker Senate, very easy. And his pen but they're there. The two purposes for it. Number one was to demonstrate that this was an artificial lab creation. That was number one. And number two, that the media was not being upfront and truthful about it. So the preponderance or most of the content of that thread is to demonstrate one of one of those two things either that this is a bio weapon or artificial lab creation, and that the media is not being truthful in their coverage of it, right. And so that that You're exactly right that they were not and they still are not, in my opinion covering it. Truthfully, I would see all this information bubbling up on Twitter or on other websites, right obscure websites or lesser known websites, Twitter personalities, chat different chat boards around the internet leaks from China, stories from other countries and other media sources that our media was not covering. They weren't talking about right it was almost like there was like this media blackout to to cover the truth of what was going on. It was frustrating me and I know it was frustrating a lot of people and so that was very suspicious too. You know, we know the media is fake right? Everybody knows the media is fake. Now that the anybody who's intellectually honest when we put it that way, anybody who's intellectually honest and paying attention know that our media is so fake right now, right? Like you it's hard to get truth and that you have So it's sort of like, I think there's a meme going around. It's like, when the media reports somebody, something, you have to decide whether or not what they're reporting is true, right? Number one, number two, it might be true, but there's probably a bias or slant to it. And then number three, you have to, you have to be aware of what aren't they saying? Like, what are the things that they're not even reporting and putting a spin on? There's just things that they don't report on period. Right? So I was seeing a lot of that stuff. And it was frustrating me. So I basically started after several weeks of this, right and processing this information and adding what I knew the from a science aspect. I just started typing it out. One day, I just I got so frustrated. I had to I had to get it out. And I just started getting it out and getting it out and getting it out. And if people really responded, right, it really struck a nerve. And I think I think it touched on something that other people were feeling and realizing some on sort of an instinctual level. Maybe they didn't have the science background, but I got so many years responses saying I knew it, you know, or like I thought something was fishy about all this, you know and so, you know giving voice to what people are suspecting, you know, from just sort of a common sense perspective. You know, of course then you get the, you know, the naysayers idiots and and the jerks but but their response was was pretty positive. And then, you know, Twitter started censoring it. I started getting shadow bands I started getting ghost bands, I started getting weird bands that things that I'd never seen on Twitter before like, you know, weird it was giving me weird messages about hey, you can't share this or It looks like you're a robot. You know, I was getting things that are more common now even just a few months later, but things that I had absolutely never seen before and people, people trying to post to the thread and I couldn't post back and just all sorts of shenanigans and then they outright deleted the thread they outright deleted it for three weeks. Right. And I still don't know how I got reinstated. I mean, I complained. And eventually it was reinstated. But then I even got shadow banned twice more after that, you know, for. It's an
Sean Morgan 15:12
absolute battle just to it's like a modern day book burning. But, you know, you're like I was on the right track. Yeah, you're over the target when they're trying to censor you. Yeah. So ironically, even though that was penned at the very outset of this crisis, and we've already kind of gone through a lockdown, and we're reemerging now from the lockdown, it's still as relevant practically, as it was the day it was penned. It holds up and and we've had some developments since then we've had Donald Trump saying, well, it's nobody's fault except you know, in case you go to the origin and dropping these little hands talking about hydroxychloroquine is going to be a game changer and the combination with the you know, Z Pak and zinc and then he talked about disinfectants and UV light therapy. And, and Secretary pompeyo started talking about the possibility that this was, you know, artificial. So where are we at now with kind of the official narrative? Well, my Republican side, the democrat side, in the medical community, it looks like Fauci is like, semi dropped off the task force. I don't even know what's going on with that.
Sam Parker 16:30
Yeah, that's, that's a bit odd. It's always hard to tell. You know, when there's deception involved, it immediately clouds everything right. So we know there's a lot of deception coming from the media. We know there's deception coming from the administration. There's likely deception coming from Donald Trump. I'm sorry for people who love Donald Trump and believe in Donald Trump and worship Donald Trump. Listen, I like Donald Trump. As much as he does the right things and you know, and gets the right things done, I like him. And when he's when he's doing the wrong things, then I call him out you know, I call
Sean Morgan 17:11
it does make you wonder why he put Burks and Fauci in charge of this do you think that that is a this is five D chest or just a stupid oh
Sam Parker 17:19
no I I don't subscribe to the five DHS theories. I think with Trump it's it's mostly what you see what you get Trump's he's a salesman he's bombastic at times he says stuff without thinking and when I say when I say that when i what i mean by says stuff without thinking is he consumes a lot of information he he's hearing he gets information from a lot of sources from a lot of high high level people right he's the president knighted states so he gets he gets information directly from people right. People that we don't know people that we don't see. And and then he and then he kind of stream of thought stream of consciousness regurgitate stuff in his
Sean Morgan 17:58
suit. He was pretty, pretty cool. target with the hydroxychloroquine is gonna be a game changer?
Sam Parker 18:04
Absolutely. Because Because he gets good information right or he can get good information from the people you surround himself with. So
Sean Morgan 18:13
that was diametrically opposed to Burks and Fauci. So that's why i subscribe.
Sam Parker 18:20
He got it from somewhere. Yeah, we got it from somewhere. Right. You know, we know that. Don't you
Sean Morgan 18:25
think that was interesting Barack what his own. His own Task Force was contradicting him and he was contradicting his task force regarding hydroxychloroquine. And the therapies. Well,
Sam Parker 18:34
for him. Well, it was out in the media for a few weeks. It was out in the media for several weeks that it was an emerging story that that there could be something to this. And if you remember, the media was actually covering that and wasn't all negative towards it until Trump came out and set mentioned it. Then all of a sudden I got attacked, right. So that can be a little hard to peel apart there. I think it's fairly obvious to your point. That Fauci I call him tiny fascist, since he started pushing, you know, vaccines, a vaccine for this requirement, but I think it's quite obvious that there are forces that are downplaying its efficacy. And that's been very, very frustrating. A lot of people falling along there, you know, that they've been trying to create these, these garbage studies to push the narrative, that it doesn't work, that it can't work that it kills people. But if you go into these studies and read them, you can you can find the studies that are good, you can find the studies that are sort of set up to fail. The NIH VA study was horrible, it was set up to fail. It has all sorts of flaws and anybody who reads the study and, and is intellectually honest and knows how research works. Can Can can point two you can point out how I've even been a thread on this on my Twitter. All the different reasons that that study was flawed and every day It seems like more studies are coming out showing that it's effective. Other countries buff rain has had great effectiveness with it several other countries de nom Algeria France. I mean, Costa Rica think Germany, Iceland, you know, I think New Brunswick, Canada, they, they booked their countries, you know, direction and they started using it and and they basically eradicated it so. So to get us back on point there, there are multiple layers of deception here number one, I'm sorry to say that, you know, Trump knows things Trump administration know things about what's going on in this what I call this global bio arms race that they are talking about. Okay, so he's having to be deceptive. The intelligence agencies who, who now are saying, Well, you know, it looks like this might be an artificial lab creation, but it wasn't, but it wasn't. It wasn't you know, released on purpose. And to which I say well if you're not exactly sure where this came from which they say like Well, we're not positive where this came from, how could if you're not shiny nose or possibly know if it was purpose for accidental so right there knowing nothing about the bow, you know, the biological aspects to this your bullshit meter should Excuse My French fry buddy. You should know that there's something fishy when the intelligence agencies say that.
Sean Morgan 21:45
Well, China and the US
Sam Parker 21:48
malicious Yeah, right.
Sean Morgan 21:50
The fort Dietrich and, and Wu Han laboratory are possible connections plus, you've got the arrested You know, scientists who are in Harvard, Charles Lieber, who is currently being funded, and they're some of his students, I guess we're trying to sneak vials that a Logan Airport.
Sam Parker 22:11
It's all official, right? It's all really fishy and and it's hard to get good information, you know, that the government and the Canadian government the RCMP escorted an entire lab of people from from Canada's national microbiology laboratory in Winnipeg, and we're still we still don't really know what happened there, right. They're not really releasing a lot of information. So there's clearly things going on, that we're not privy to that Donald Trump likely knows Canada knows, you know, these these high these high level politicians, you know, they're running their countries, they know things that they're not telling us, right. The media and then of course, we know the media is just there they're sycophants. They're their mouthpieces. For their, you know, their big pharma allies, you know, you know,
Sean Morgan 23:04
let's talk about that right? This far right?
Sam Parker 23:07
Remember does that right, right? Yeah, that's
Sean Morgan 23:09
the big that's where the big money is because there's a patent because it's new but hydroxychloroquine and chloric win and all those other things. They're, they're old, they're cheap that you can't profit off of them. Do you think it's as simple as that you just follow the money?
Sam Parker 23:26
Well, I think there's I think there's a danger when you say follow the money. Number one people think when you say follow the money, that the only motivating force out there is money. But there are clearly other powerful motivators besides money in the world power, lust for power, adulation,
Sam Parker 23:46
you know, people that just are
Sean Morgan 23:48
the two superpowers in the world in a bio arms race, and they just signed a trade deal, and there's a presidential election coming up. It's certainly very perfect timing for For this conflict,
Sam Parker 24:01
yeah, so but but but number two what I want to say number two is number one, so money isn't everything right? But number two, following the money can sort of is like breadcrumbs. So they can help lead us to these other things, right? So it's helpful to follow the money. But just I just want to I just want to give the caveat that just following the money isn't always enough. Like, for instance, Bill Gates, you know, clearly this guy has given away billions and he's giving it away, right? So it's like, you know, money isn't necessarily his only motivator. And that's, that's a really large topic. And I don't know if we'll get into that, but that's just an example. So if you follow the money, like, you know, like my thread says, we, our country has spent, you know, hundreds of billions of dollars on this, and other countries are spending money to China's spending money and they're, you know, trying to ramp up. Great Britain, you know, or the United Kingdom has spent tons of money on this right? So so it's a big deal and and so big pharma has spent a lot of money on things as well. rendez Vir has been a joint has been in joint development between Gilad and the US government. The US government has put just as many resources it seems into its development as Galia pharmaceuticals. So there is a there is a big incentive for us bureaucracy to get payback on this because it has been involved in in its development.
Sean Morgan 25:36
Even it hasn't hasn't Fauci and China, don't they stand to profit from this.
Sam Parker 25:42
That's what I've heard, yeah, that China now shares in the patent or license the patent for renders of air so that they get a cut. And I believe Gilead has entered into a partnership with them, you know, for you know, for testing and for testing purposes, right together. Get it out there and get it being used to start getting data. So there does seem to be a joint partnership between them. And Fauci does seem to be involved because his agency, I believe, has helped sponsor. The development room does veer for several years now. So it's all very fishy right there, you know. And there, it seems that there's a revolving door between these government, these government agencies, and these big pharmaceutical companies. There's, it's, it's what we call regulatory capture, right. Whereas captured agency where a lot of the money that comes to the NIH and the CDC comes from private industry,
Sean Morgan 26:40
and the more crises that there are, the more profitable it is. So there is an incentive to have an accidents like this happen.
Sam Parker 26:49
Absolutely. Or a series of them like how do we know that that MERS and SARS and other and others have these outbreaks? I mean, you could say what if they were accidents or what They were earlier phases of of a bioweapons. program. Right? And I mean, there's there's a lot of roads, you can go down. And there's what there's evidence for all these things. There's there's reasonable discussions to be had for all these ideas, right. So there's just a lot of deception out there and it can be hard to peel apart but China, China has not claimed that this was natural since late January since late January. reports have been leaking from China that they've been claiming it's a bio weapon. It's just that they've been claiming it's the US released it on to them, right. And so, so you see this emerging battle to get back to sort of an earlier question, how do you see this emerging battle being played out right now of different factions trying to establish the mainstream narrative, right. Donald Trump and his administration are trying to establish the narrative that this is a Chinese accident. China's trying to establish a narrative that this is a bioweapon released on them. by the United States, the media With from its corporate farm Big Pharma backers and big science backers who get their money from government are trying to establish the narrative that Oh, no, this is just a just a natural, just a natural occurrence, you know, that we have to develop a vaccine for it just like always, you know, and,
Sean Morgan 28:15
and frankly, none of those make any sense to me if China really believed that this was a bio warfare thing. Well, wouldn't they encourage third party investigators to come into their country and do try to get to the bottom of it? Right, which they have not covered up since
Sam Parker 28:35
the beginning. And they've covered up their their role? Since the beginning, right? They've disappeared, scientists, they've cleaned up the wet market. they've established new security procedures at their labs. They haven't let scientists in they've kicked out media, right.
Sean Morgan 28:50
So it's all I need to know to know they were part of it
Sam Parker 28:53
well, and they and we know now it's coming out now that they suppressed the information that this could This was could be transmitted from human to human right for several weeks. And during that timeframe where they were suppressing that information they had their di goo I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correctly it's D ay ay ay ay ay ay ay ay Do you is how it's spelled. I just say di Gu. But these are Chinese nationals around the world who spy for China or who who claim resources for China and they had these people all around the world going into stores in Brazil and Europe and the United States and Australia, buying up all the PP the the masks gloves, gowns for the entire month of January. They're all around the world. They were buying it up in massive quantities and sending it back to China and China cornered the market on the global supply for PGP. since mid January, you couldn't buy a mask or
Sean Morgan 29:56
killing two birds with one stone that is both profiting off of it and it's causing all the other countries to be at risk. And so if this is if this is a war, then that's a very sharp move where you get your enemy you get your enemy to to be vulnerable and you you sell them their protection,
Sam Parker 30:17
right and then
Sam Parker 30:19
back yeah they so they hoovered it up. Right they gathered it all up. And so like I said you couldn't get it online. You couldn't get it in stores even in late January couldn't buy a mask United States anywhere. You couldn't buy hand sanitizer, right? You just couldn't get it. And in some places you still can't. It's still hard to get. I just saw hand sanitizer in the grocery store a couple days ago for the first time since early January. hadn't seen hand sanitizer in a store since early Junior. You can get masks now and you had to I got some masks, but I had to buy them online weeks ago. It took weeks for them to get here and they came from China. So like who knows very good, right. So So They did it come out now that they did this on purpose so that they could, so that we couldn't have it. Right. And so that made the disease outbreaks everywhere worse because people couldn't get the protective gear. And now they're selling it back to us at a higher current cost at a markup. And then even for a while, they were threatening to withhold basic pharmaceuticals. So these are these are actions of war, right? And if you're paying attention, like so, China's doing all sorts of shenanigans. So there's lots to process there. But even our own government, you know, lying about masks, you know, don't get a mask, don't buy the mask, you know, why were they why they and that created a lot of confusion when the Surgeon General and the CDC and the who said, Hey, get masks don't work, don't buy masks. Well, what were they saying that because masks don't work, or were they saying it because there was a shortage and they needed it for healthcare workers. Were there other reasons as well, it really confused the issue and made it political right and now we see that mask wearing has become this political lightning rod There's no reason for mask wearing to be this political lightning rod that is, but because of that, because of the deception in the media because of power politics, because of people using things for their for their own gain and for their own shenanigans, I call them shenanigans but they're much more malicious.
Sean Morgan 32:19
I have I have two medical questions for you. One is, is there a consensus in the medical community that a virus of this size that wearing a mask does anything at all to prevent?
Sam Parker 32:32
So there's a lot of controversy like so there's a lot of confusion and controversy and so you have to define what you mean by mask wearing. So Strictly speaking, the Varian for Coronavirus is too large or excuse me is too small for most masks to theoretically stop, however, so like if you were to take a little sprayer of very ons and you know Blow them through a mask, they would pass through most masks, because they're too small. Now, masks work in two ways. They have pores, right or passages that the virus can pass through. So there's a size and mechanical, there's a mechanical filtration. But surgical medical masks also have an electrostatic property. So it's sort of, it's almost like a magnet, right? Because they're these, these very arms have charge. And so there's a there's an opposite charge on on masks, through the material in the manufacturing techniques, it creates this electrostatic charge. And even though the mechanical, the mechanical pores are, are larger than the virus, they have an attractive force that attracts them. So there's there's a couple different ways that masks work. There's the mechanical screening, and then there's the electrostatic and I'm
Sean Morgan 33:51
surprised that with this being the one of the most important issues of the day that I've never heard any professional explain that until
Sam Parker 34:00
See, the media just doesn't cover these things, right? They don't cover these things. And that drives people crazy. And then and then if you try to get good information, YouTube, you know, bans you or you know, screens you you know, or D platforms your deletes your videos, right? What about wedding bands you but I want to finish this real quick. Sure. But but so if you were to spray just naked virus, you know through these masks, it would pass through a lot of masks and not completely but but the thing is, is in a in a real environment where it's the virus is coming from people out of their breath. The it's, it's, it doesn't come out by itself, it's stuck to it stuck to vapors, right partic your respiratory droplets right. And masks do stop those or stops most of that right or, or stops A lot of it or or disperses it so it's not so concentrated. So So the idea that oh masks don't work because the virus is too small. It's really a misnomer.
Sean Morgan 35:05
So how about the risks or disadvantages of wearing a mask, like consuming too much co2 and going into fight or flight and stress response and all of that?
Sam Parker 35:16
Yeah, so I'm slow, right. So I'm not completely an expert on, you know, oxygen absorption and physiological and respiratory dynamics, right. oxygen uptake, carbon dioxide re uptake, I know that the average breath is much larger than what's contained in a mask. So you might be breathing some carbon dioxide, but you're still getting mostly new air every time you take a breath. I've seen some studies and some articles talking about how prolonged mask wearing can have some deleterious effects and I don't doubt that. I don't doubt that. My contention is that from the articles from the peer reviewed articles, and studies that I've read is that, you know, mask wearing is a bit of a mixed bag. And so I think what's clear is they have to be strategic about it, right? masks can work to a certain degree, when you strategically and intelligently in the right environment, you know, doctors and nurses and other medical professionals were in environments where there, there are sick patients, where there's a lot of sickness going around, where they're doing a close person to person interactions, you know, with other people. And we run into those types of interactions on our own throughout the day or we can for instance, like in crowded public transit, where it's just a count car of people, right and and you know, anybody who's done a rush hour commute on a bus or on the public transit knows that you know, or subway those things get crowded, you can be standing up face to face with people, you know, right. People breathing and coughing in each other's faces and Those viruses and and droplets are just getting coughed right on to your right into and you're breathing them right up and masks can cut that down right. Sure.
Sean Morgan 37:09
So so but what is what is the real risk statistically in general of this Coronavirus in the United States compared to say the seasonal flu?
Sam Parker 37:19
Sean Morgan 37:20
Veritas does it the justify, is there really a justification to make mandatory mask wearing and keep people in their homes and keep people from visiting their loved ones and keep people from going to school and learning and shutting down their businesses and their way of life? You know, according to the research you've done, and I know, it's really hard to get reliable numbers on the actual mortality rate and the actual people who actually even test positive and the people who actually die of this, but from what you've been able to gather in maybe our data compared to other countries data, does it justify it too? Well,
Sam Parker 37:59
I think I think, yeah, that's a really complicated question. And it's a complicated question because it doesn't just have a scientific component, but it has a political component, especially here in the United States where we have, you know, supposedly these thing called civil rights in the Constitution, right? There are things that maybe you can do, but should you do them? Or while while you can, can do them, are you allowed to do them, you know, okay,
Sean Morgan 38:24
a political thing to decide, because I think both of us are kind of libertarian, and we believe people should have the right to do what they want to with their own bodies. But let's just put on the medical side, is there any bigger risk, you know, to to going out into public and going to your job and all of that, compared to say, the seasonal flu on a bad season?
Sam Parker 38:48
Well, when you start comparing it to the flow, it starts getting difficult, right? Because we now No, thanks to this this outbreak, we now know that the the overall flu number are wildly overinflated and disproportionate. We've been spoiled in a way with this with this Coronavirus phenomenon, right this COVID phenomenon to where we want it. Now we're Pete the public is demanding rigorous testing and rigorous counting of COVID cases. Right. So
Sean Morgan 39:22
I don't know if the public is demanding it, but Well,
Sam Parker 39:24
some people are, but but we're getting used to it. Now we're used to like, Okay, well, how many people have been tested? How many people have tested positive? How many people have actually died from this? And how can we tell that they died from this and not something else? These are all these are all questions and conversations that are being had. And these questions and conversations were never being had with the flu before. And so we didn't realize and appreciate that the flu numbers that the government has been putting up till now. We're not done in the same way. They're just estimated. It turns out that right, flu deaths and flu infections are not counted. Like Like we're counting COVID. Now, right there were generated through mathematical models using these wildly inaccurate or assumptions. So, so when we hear things like, well, the flu kills 60 to 100,000 people a year or 150 50,000 people a year killed this many thousands of people in 2009. These were estimates. These weren't shows these weren't based on like,
Sean Morgan 40:21
let's say, let's say the ballpark estimates for flu are somewhat accurate, and that we can kind of look at the mortality rates in the United States and compare them to other countries that have somewhat of a ballpark of infection rates. And I know that we've got a concentration in New York City and so it's hard to just kind of say, hey, the whole country needs to be judged by the same the same standards. But in your opinion, what what is this? Is there really a risk this can be compared
Sam Parker 40:53
to this does seem to be a more contagion a light and kill more than the flu. That's I think we can say that This. Now even though the flu numbers are really high, it turns out that when you test and count flu numbers, like something it turns out and Scientific American had a had a article about this recently. It turns out that actual, you know, tests administered and, and deaths counted the way we're doing COVID. It's somewhere between three and 15,000 people die from the flu, not these 10s of thousands or hundreds of thousands of numbers. It's that we hear it's like 20 and 35 115,000 people. So I think what if you take that as accurate or directionally accurate, which I do, and it seems plausible, then I think it's clear that COVID is more deadly. It's more contagious. It's a bigger problem than the regular flu, okay? If you're being honest, it's a bigger problem.
Sean Morgan 41:50
Now, the problem for elderly people in immune, you know, compromised all the
Sam Parker 41:55
data that I've seen, and I've been looking at charts today and yesterday and every day That as you as you climb up the age, the age, then then the risks get higher and higher. There's more people getting sick. So how do you make sense and hobbies
Sean Morgan 42:10
are dying like Cuomo and Pennsylvania governor who actually has seemed to set up the nursing homes for higher mortality rates?
Sam Parker 42:19
It certainly looks like that. It's certainly especially Cuomo because now we there you can go back to their legislation and see where he inserted provisions that indemnified nursing homes or release them from later on. liability as for space non word released them from liability. In an early on, and early on, he mandated that people who had had had a COVID or who were suspected COVID patients, had nursing homes couldn't keep people out on that basis. Right. And workers who had tested positive Perhaps perhaps ad systems, symptoms couldn't be barred from working. So it looked like it does look like in that, that He instituted policies with a premeditation, that there could be a problem with his policies, you know, because of this, this legislation that indemnified them right? It does look like that he took a premeditated action or it looks bad to me, to me, right, right. Now, again, that gets into sort of, you know, politics, do you like Cuomo? Do you not like Cuomo? Do you hate Trump? Do you not hate Trump? People will let that go get a governor who are doing if you look at the timeline he inserted, you know, he mandated that nursing homes have to take in these people and have to let these workers work. And then he put indemnification in the legislation. So it looks bad. And then it emerged yesterday, the day before that the health secretary of Pennsylvania moved his moved his own mother out of nursing homes as he was, as he was stuffing people nursing homes. So that looks bad. Right? It looks like he knew. It looks like he knew what was going on. And number three, it will not never, I don't know. No, I said number three, but we've known since the beginning since January that this thing disproportionately affects older people, right? seniors, right? So, and the narrative is like, we've got to protect the old people, we've got to quarantine them, we've got to keep them away. That's what the that's what the mainstream narrative is even allowed that to merge. Right. So why are these governors undertaking policies that weren't doing that they weren't doing that when we've known since the beginning that these this is the most at risk population. So certainly, it's certainly in many of their instances smacks of incompetence or stupidity. Or perhaps malfeasance, especially in the case of Cuomo, where there is a little bit of a there's a little bit of some breadcrumbs and a trail there that suggests malfeasance you know, right now you can and now, people are free to draw their own conclusions from that if if Cuomo undertook these things with some sort of agenda or some sort of design in mind, well, what was that agenda? What was that?
Sean Morgan 45:12
Well, you get more money, the more deaths you have.
Sam Parker 45:15
And is it? Yeah, exactly. So is it a money thing because we've now it's come out that you get so much money per COVID diagnosis, and you get so much more money per COVID death, right. And that's been well documented now. So, so so I leave that up to the listeners and the readers right to decide for themselves. Okay, what are the motivations of these people? I have some personal opinions. But you know, it's always difficult. And I say this on people. It's difficult to ascribe motivation for actions people take or especially when they're only suspected of taking action, like
Sean Morgan 45:49
it's for people like us in this conversation. It's good enough for us to be asking some really good questions and get people to start thinking. Now a statistician, looked at As the number of COVID deaths and I think it was Pennsylvania, I'm not sure exactly. But for people like they were considering opening up schools or considering not opening up colleges and universities, and and the statistician had found that a person just 24 years old or younger, was, you know, more likely one in 700,000 to get hit by light by lightning from COVID-19. So that's why I was asking you the question like, what is the real risk for the average person not the immune compromised? Not the elderly with comorbidities, but a regular person who wants to go to college? Is there even arrest should they even have to wear a mask if they're likely to be hit by lightning
Sam Parker 46:45
again with the masks I don't I don't condone and a Governor General Government enforcement force 24 seven mass warning number one, I think it's counterproductive. And number two, I don't think they have the power to compel us to do that campaign number three, I'm not sure that it is effective all the time or needed all the time. Like I said, it has to be strategic, you know, in certain situations. But to your point, yeah, the government the government is a is a blunt instrument, right. And it treats everything as one size fits all. I think what's emerging to be crystal clear, is that there is virtually it's very, very miniscule risk for anybody under 25. In the state of Utah, there have been, I think, two or 215, perhaps 1518 hospitalizations for people under 25 and no deaths, no deaths. So and then for people under 15. It's, I think, no hospitalizations and no deaths. So and only just a handful of cases. So it's the risk For people under 25 is miniscule, I mean, it's minuscule. Like Like, to your point of this, you know, you have a higher chance of being hit by lightning. So what I think is important is to get this data and this information out to people, and let them make their own decisions as to what risk they are willing to, uh, to bear. Now, that's my political bias, right? I think that people should be free to make their own, their own, their own their own risk based decisions. Now that we know what the risks are to the populace as a whole into the country as a whole. I think it's important that we released this data so people can properly place themselves into these risk groups, because it isn't one size fits all. It doesn't affect everybody equally. Right. It depends upon your age, it depends upon your overall health. It depends upon your comorbidities, what your relative risk is. And so these one size fits fits all policies. I policies, I think are silly. I think they're counterproductive. I think it's killing the economy. I think hurts people and that in so many other ways that we can't even know and can't even measure. So to your point of people under 25, I don't really think there's that much of risk. Yes, we hear of the odd case here and there where this person had a bad outcome or this person was hospitalized. And this weird thing happened. Look, there's no there's no doubt that this this virus causes some weird things in rare cases. Tony Fauci talked about that in his testimony the other day, but it's not very many, you know, and, and Okay, so, you know, 30 people in the entire country under 25, or however many have had this weird thing happened, right? Where they have these sudden strokes and or thrombosis. It looks like that this virus can cause weird thrombosis events and strokes, even in young people. But it's not very many we're talking like, you know, handful. You know, we're talking about an incidence that's, that's that's minuscule, like you said lower than then getting hit by lightning. So it's really a no I don't want to I don't want to I don't want to downplay that. It's real. I don't want to say that it hasn't hurt people that it hasn't killed people under 25. It has, but not very many. And and in the meantime, what are the costs of shutting life down for these people? Right. I think that they should be allowed to make their own decision at this point.
Sean Morgan 50:20
Right. Yeah, that's that that makes sense to me from a political constitutional standpoint. How about with the current model we have for vaccines? Does it make any sense at all, that we could even have a vaccine for this COVID-19
Sam Parker 50:34
scientifically speaking, I'm I believe that for this type of RNA virus, it's very difficult to get a vaccine there aren't really that many successful vaccines, if any, there's no vaccine for SARS, there's no vaccine for MERS, which are two very closely related which are diseases that come from two very closely related Corona viruses. And so, uh, so there have been problems there have been problems in in developing vaccines for these RNA viruses because because they mutate a lot of their RNA is very RNA viruses very unstable by their nature in terms of conserving their genotype over time, there's a lot of mutation creepin quickly over time, and so, this leads to phenotype expressions that are different different, you know, confirmations and proteins and different epitopes for that fool the evade the immune system. So it can be
Sean Morgan 51:32
very we've never developed a vaccine for an RNA based virus like this ever.
Sam Parker 51:38
I don't believe not like this No. And so, so there are different there are newer methods and newer technologies coming online RNA vaccines, for instance, that are under development that try that are trying to develop ways around the problem and And be
Sean Morgan 52:01
really experimental. There's no experimental.
Sam Parker 52:03
I think it's I don't there's no Yeah, I don't think it's people are acting like it's a slam dunk. Oh, we're gonna have this vaccine in six to 12 or 18 months it's gonna happen. It's it's a no brainer. It'll be here next. I mean
Sean Morgan 52:15
if it is there'll be very little human trials so you don't really know if it's safe or not?
Sam Parker 52:21
Well, they'll never do they'll never do a randomized you know placebo double blind randomized control trial or at the number they'll never just kind of garlic
Sean Morgan 52:30
if they try to do mass mass vaccinations and especially forced mass vaccinations. Don't you think they would need to have that type of safety and advocate?
Sam Parker 52:38
Well, that's that's that's sort of that's sort of one of the knocks against vaccines is that no vaccine has ever, ever tested against a placebo control, right? Like that. That's just not how the vaccine industry works are set up for you know, legal somewhat ethically, you know, there's a run into some ethical issues in human testing of you know, where the ethics If not, you know of giving a fake vaccine to people. But But there there's that's a whole that's another large discussion of the vaccine industry and the shenanigans going on in the vaccine industry. But suffice it to say, there's no guarantee that there's going to be a vaccine for this. There's some promising new technologies, but there's no guarantee that they're going to work.
Sean Morgan 53:21
I believe the governor of California has said he doesn't want to open up the state until there's a vaccine,
Sam Parker 53:26
and that that might never happen. Or it might not be a great vaccine, or there could be depending on the kind of vaccine it could be. There could be some dangers. That's why, you know, Bill Gates again, he's talked about well, we have to indemnify these vaccine companies around the world so that they don't so that any deleterious effects from their vaccines won't blow black blow back on them because if it does and they won't develop the vaccines are literally no
Sean Morgan 53:53
one else cares about Big Pharma going broke except for Big Pharma.
Sam Parker 53:58
Yeah, right. Right. Alright, so there's no guarantee there's going to be a vaccine. There's some promising technologies, but you know, they're they have yet to be proven. And then depending on the kind of vaccine, they could have deleterious effects outside of, you know, you know,
Sam Parker 54:19
there have been shown in the past that vaccines
Sam Parker 54:23
they have, there's problems with them, and they don't always work and sometimes you get sick from the thing that they're supposed to prevent, you know, depending on if it's a lot, you know, if it's a live attenuated vaccine, that can that's a danger. So, you know, the whole vaccine discussion, people are acting like it's a foregone conclusion, but it's, it's not, you know, and our technology and our knowledge is limited and these viruses are tricky little things. So, you know, I advocate I advocate strategic mask wearing to slow the spread, and then aggressive, aggressive therapies, proven cheap therapies. That reduce the variance of the disease or prevent it like the you mentioned the hydroxychloroquine with as if they're myosin and zinc protocol. You combine that with mega dosing and vitamin C which studies around the world are showing especially if administered intravenously, it can have a lot of it reduces the inflammation and the damage to the lungs. That and that's something that's not talked about the the morbidity of instead of just the mortality that there's not just a binary outcome here like he could die you get better, you can get better and have lingering problems and lingering physiological issues and damages from this and vitamin C administration and other and other medicines that can reduce the inflammation can not only increase survivability, but improve your outcome. If you do survive
Sean Morgan 55:51
and the risk is very low with
Sam Parker 55:53
vitamin D we have to mention vitamin D is just a flurry just an explosion of studies showing that vitamin D sufficiency And deficiency and insufficiency are all factors like so. Take me live in our home all day. Okay, get out get the sunshine take your vitamin D supplements, especially if you're over 70 I've got my parents taking vitamin D supplements now. It has a variety of effects outside of just Coronavirus, right. Especially when it comes to cancers and prostate cancer for you men out there vitamin D is a very potent inhibitor of prostate cancer so, so get your vitamin D. So there's a lot of these cheaper therapies right? that are that are being proven ivermectin, a common parasitic, it's very very cheap. Peru has added it to its frontline defense. It's it's, its primary protocol now includes hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin right out of the gate, and so there are a lot of these cheaper corseting I'm not exactly sure I pronounce it corseting or curse or certain people pronounce it differently. It looks like it has some promise promoting. And prior lowsec You know, it looks like it has some efficacy as well there's there's a lot of cheaper compounds out there that seem and natural compounds that seem to have folic acids and other ones that seem to have efficacy here and everywhere and every time that the hydroxychloroquine protocol, especially in combination with zinc, because it's zinc ion afore, right? It absorbs or attracts the zinc and helps delivered into the cells shows that this protocol works, right if done early if administered early and aggressively. Right and not no don't wait till people are already sick and in the hospital right then it's mostly too late. And what's interesting is there's a prophylactic effect with chloroquine. hydroxy clora. That's right. So use it early. Use it with zinc. Use the vitamin D, the vitamin C, the folic acid The ivermectin you know, and, and, and let's and let's try to aggressively help people reduce their symptoms and recover or just prevent them from getting it. And rather than these massive shutdowns and let's wait for a vaccine I'm not gonna have I'm not taking any vaccine,
Sean Morgan 58:22
either. So have you seen the pandemic first part of that documentary?
Sam Parker 58:26
I have. I've seen it. I've listened to several I've actually, I had actually listened to a couple long form interviews with Judy megabits, or Mike ovitz, I guess, before that, actually, so when it came out, I watched that and, and it seemed to track pretty closely with what I'd heard in her other interviews.
Sean Morgan 58:45
Any thoughts on that?
Sam Parker 58:47
I think that listen, there's always there's the old cliche, there's his version, her version and then and then and then the truth, right, you know, and I suspect that Like, let's, let's let's be honest and upfront, she's been hurt. She's been damaged clearly, repeatedly and been the victim of some some stuff over time. So she's got a she's got an axe to grind, and it looks like perhaps justifiably so. We haven't heard the other side from any of these people. I'd like to hear the other side,
Sean Morgan 59:19
I say get them on the record,
Sam Parker 59:21
I want to I would like to get them on the record, right. She's made some very disturbing allegations. And I would think that if we're serious about getting to the bottom of these things, and reforming reforming this system, that we would get these people on the record and get their side right,
Sean Morgan 59:35
instead of just pulling it off a YouTube and censoring her, why not get on the record and find out who's telling the truth, it ought to be easy to discredit her right?
Sam Parker 59:41
It should be it should be really easy. Let's get them on the record. And let's and let's let's depose them, right?
Sean Morgan 59:47
See all the crap out of her if everything she said was
Sam Parker 59:50
right, so it seems like she she has some credibility. Obviously, if you follow the mainstream narrative, you'll say, Oh, she's a crank. She doesn't have any. She doesn't have any credibility. But that That's sort of what she's saying is that her reputation has been damaged by by some conspiracy against her and so okay let's let's find out so I'm sort of the epitome let's let's vet this thing and when you try to hide it when you try to delete it, the platform it and don't Don't, don't go to these people for comment that okay, well, now I'm gonna get them believer because it looks like she's over the target and you're just trying to bury it.
Sean Morgan 60:29
Right. I have a final question for you, Sam. There are so few medical voices going against the mainstream Coronavirus narrative. We have Dr. betaR, Dr. Shiva, Dr. Mike evitts. Are those people that you're following and listening to as well? Are there people you might recommend we we check out?
Sam Parker 60:49
Well, there's lots right so i will say I want to mention Dr. Shiva, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. wrote a devastating devastating takedown. I'm Dr. Shiva. I don't know if you've seen it.
Sean Morgan 61:02
I've actually covered it on my show. Yeah.
Sam Parker 61:04
Okay. You have all right. So, you know that there again, this is sort of another such Dr. Mike evitts versus the establishment situation is is Dr. Shiva, who he purports to be. And I think we have to ask that question of all these these sources that have emerged, you know, who are they? What's their agenda? What are their interests? What's their past? And, and so we have to be careful, right, we have to look into we have to look into these things. Now. I definitely think this is an era for citizen journalism, and an era for finding these voices that we can trust, right? Everybody's desperate to find voices they can trust, and it's hard. But yeah, a doctor did gay from France. You can follow him on Twitter. And, you know, like people say, do your research, get it from a variety of sources. Don't believe, you know, turn off the TV. Either what you're getting Either what you're getting on TVs either lies or half truths and lies of omission, right? And spin. You know, you watch TV if you want, but just know that you're not getting the whole story and you're getting a by a story. So search out, do your own research. And, you know, especially with two sources outside the United States, the US government funds a lot of researchers, right, Big Pharma funds, a lot of researchers and so they're not these unbiased, people have this vision that scientists are these perfect Lee unbiased, you know, individuals who just just to science is important, but that's not that's not true at all. And I think anybody who's intellectually honest, can see right through that, that the scientists are tremendously political. The science community is very political. There's all there's big money to be had. There's big money flowing around. People are trying to get dollars to fund their labs. People don't want to see their funding dried up. Because they they start talking against the party line. Right? And that's the that's sort of the, one of the allegations against Fauci is that, you know, if you don't Tow the line or you don't get, you know, you know, conform, then you might see yourself banned from donation lists or from getting your grant cancel, you know, and, and if the US government is funding this research, which it is, you're not going to speak out against that, because, oh, your funding just didn't get renewed this year. I'm sorry. So
Sean Morgan 63:36
Sean Morgan 63:38
I just gonna say Steve Bannon has said that perhaps there will be Nuremberg style trials against the CCP for their liability in this global crisis. I think I don't know about that. But I certainly think that we're going to start getting some answers to all the questions that we have as time goes on. And we're going to find out is this man made? Is it natural We're going to find out what was the true origin which governments were involved, which were some of the players involved. So as this story develops, would you be open to doing another interview to discuss this developing story?
Sam Parker 64:13
Absolutely. I try to keep up on the literature as much as I can. Right now, I actually like to go read the science. Typically, I like to read read the papers, you know. And I think that's one of the problems that a lot of people have is they can't, they don't have the scientific background to to read these papers, right to read the researcher know how to search out the research. You know, I'm not I'm not like, I don't want to make it sound like I'm the world's greatest expert at this stuff. I have I have a background I can I can read a paper and I can I can hack my way through it. Right, and I'm not. And so so that's why I like to go I like to go directly to research and kind of form my own opinions in the context of, you know, all the other coverage. I'm kidding. So I'd be happy. I'd be happy to do that. And, you know, People can follow me on twitter Sam Parker Senate. They can find me on YouTube. Sam Parker, US Senate and I don't really have a lot of videos for Coronavirus on there now but I'm, I'm looking to maybe do some of that. But I'd be I'd be more than happy to but I just want to tell people to do your own research and as much as you can go to primary sources, go to primary sources, seek them out yourself. And and decide for yourself. Don't rely on a talking head on TV who's being sponsored by Pfizer, or you know, or Merck, or the government in the cases of CNN is basically just the deep state front right? So, you know, be distrustful of people be distrustful of politicians be distrustful of Donald Trump, he's not telling you every there's a lot of stuff he knows he doesn't talk about until you about right. And you can decide for yourself why that is, you know, to protect us or to fight the deep state or whatever but but nobody's getting telling you the whole truth, almost nobody and so you have to go find it and do your best.
Sean Morgan 66:06
Thank you, Sam, I'm totally with you. I think we are in a generation of citizen journalists. That means people like you and me, are asking the questions that mainstream media won't ask. And that actually is a big responsibility on us. So for spreading, spreading and spreading that information. So I will be in touch with you and people can find you on Twitter and at the links below.
Sam Parker 66:26
Thanks a lot, john. I really appreciate your time. And thanks a lot listeners really appreciate you guys putting up with me and my hems and haws and stay safe. Stay safe out there.
Sean Morgan 66:37
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