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Sean Morgan 00:00
I'm Sean Morgan and I'm asking the hard questions about alternative topics like Q anon and Coronavirus. Get the free ebook at Q and on faq.com. Okay, I am here with Sue Parker Hall. And so can you tell us a little bit about who you are and what you do?
Sue Parker Hall 00:20
Yes, thank you, Shawn. I'm so pleased to be here. And yes, the poker Hall I live in Cornwall in the UK. I'm a registered psychotherapist. And I have several interest threads including anger and rage and I'm author of anger rage relationship, which is a book that helps people resolve that anger and rage issues. I'm also very interested in men's rights. And I I do as much work as I can to promote promote a positive idea of masculinity. Because I don't I don't think masculine Meister
Sean Morgan 00:59
has Female allies out there. I didn't know that there was that kind of thing. That's great.
Sue Parker Hall 01:05
Yeah, well, thank you. And I don't think men generally get the respect they deserve. And with the radical feminist framing of men is toxic and patriarchs and all the kind of negative framing of being male that distresses me You know, there's been a lot of nice good men in my life and I don't I don't like men. universally, mate. You know, it's the
Sean Morgan 01:38
most sexist thing you can do is to generalize 50% of the population. So you you actually specialize not only the anger and rage, but you you look deeply into the aspects, psycho aspects of cults. Is that right?
Sue Parker Hall 01:57
Yeah, I'm very interested in cults. Mainly because Because of the radical feminist brainwashing that went on, on men's domestic abuse programs, the Duluth model, that's what sparked my interest is men weren't being offered therapy for their problem behaviors, their abusive behaviors they were, they were being offered political programming. So that's what sparked my interest. Yeah, so I was really hoping to have a little chat with you today about some of the elements of cults they might apply to the media or to this thing
Sean Morgan 02:37
can apply to a lot of organizations. I've known some multi level marketing companies that have that kind of reality. But what I think is so interesting about this topic, is that the deep state, that's what I just call it, the deep state, so so it's like the it's all connected to mainstream Media, the, you know, different political parties, the international organizations, all of these different organizations are somehow connected. And so I just call them the deep state, but you can you can call them whatever you want. But they come in a coordinated, very, very coordinated fashion, have been attacking the Q, the Q and on movement. And the way they do that is with some key words and what they always do. What the deep state always does is they project their own crimes and their own traits onto others. And I'm sure as a psychologist, or with your background, you can tell me exactly what that pathology is because I just know it as projection. But I don't know, if you if you could make the deep state into a person and say that that that entity has a certain pathology, you can probably tell a lot about it, like narcissism and things like that. That. But what I want to get out here is that they call Q and Q anon a cult. Yes. And I just think this is laughable because, you know, q doesn't have a personality. So how can you even like know is for someone who's anonymous who you don't even know what they look like or what they are, what they anything about them, how can you worship them, and then also like encouraging us to think for ourselves critical thinking
Sue Parker Hall 04:25
that that's the most convincing aspect of Q for me that demonstrates there's not a lot of cold, right, if I can just take you through the different aspects that Robert Jay Lifton has come up with he explored brainwashing in China in the in the early 1950s. So the first elements millea control, its control of communication. Which which fits, doesn't it with the control of the media, but it it it gets so Controlling in the end that it controls internal communication with with oneself, as well as
Sean Morgan 05:07
there are certain thoughts and words that you can use and you can't use. Yes. And something that came to mind is the higher education system in the United States how it's been infiltrated with this kind of radical Marxist feminist ideology. So, so yeah, definitely that fits.
Sue Parker Hall 05:28
Yeah. And that's, um, that's to the UK as well, actually. Yes, so there's Yeah, control of the environment. The next one is mystical and magical, mystical manipulation, that is the cult leader or whoever has the divine authority, you know, or he's the sole person responsible for spiritual advancement. There's one way of doing things, you know, there's an ideological totalism about it. And the the leader will will kind of create events that look mystical, but that aren't really in order to maintain the authority.
Sean Morgan 06:19
Some things that come up when I think about this, although there is not one figure who kind of represents the deep state, they do set up these figureheads and something that's mystical is technology. So you have Bill Gates and Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos, and they're these people that they they literally are perceived in Time magazine cover after Time magazine cover to be like demigods who are like way beyond us plebes that could never achieve or think or behave anywhere near what they could. And these are the very people who are controlling global agenda in public health with Bill Gates. We've got Jeff So, with Amazon being like the CIA connection as well as outerspace with his Blue Origin project, so what do you what comes to your mind Hollywood superstars?
Sue Parker Hall 07:15
Yes. So I was thinking if the yeah more superstars and yeah, rock stars and yeah, we've got Lady Gaga hunt we've got Madonna.
Sean Morgan 07:25
LeBron James is one of those superstars in sports who is like just parroting Chinese propaganda right now,
Sue Parker Hall 07:32
right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And then the third element is a demand for purity. So the world is viewed as black and white. And this rigid good and rigid bad.
Sean Morgan 07:52
Orange man bad is the joke about the Trump it could literally can say, say or think nothing. That is credible or intelligent or whatever. And and the other thing that comes to mind here is that this is a major weakness of the deep state because when they insist on purity, they can never abide by their own standards so that the hypocrisy always comes back to shoot them in the foot.
Sue Parker Hall 08:20
Yes. And the cool kind of emotional dynamic here is about shaming people and guilting people you know, and there's a lot of fear in it fear of political correctness comes to mind for me. Yes,
Sean Morgan 08:35
qq has actually, I think more than any other subject Q has talked about this where he says that they want you divided by gender, by race, by religion, and they will use all of these shame tactics to make you feel ashamed for being a man ashamed for being Christian or a shame for you know,
Sue Parker Hall 08:56
being white being white.
Sean Morgan 08:58
Yeah. Anything. So? Yeah. So that that that fits the bill as well.
Sue Parker Hall 09:07
Yes, yeah. So and of course, you can never live up to the demand for purity.
Sean Morgan 09:14
So you always hate yourself because you always have those thoughts that are politically incorrect.
Sue Parker Hall 09:20
It's absolutely characterized by self hate self loathing. And you you carry the shadow, you know, you carry the shadow, because you're never perfect. The person who's holding you accountable and or the phenomenon that's holding you accountable holds all the perfection.
Sean Morgan 09:41
Right? Nazi Germany comes to mind where they, there was this ideal person who was blond haired and blue eyed and loved their country more than anything. And then like, you know, more than 50% of the population didn't look like that or act like that. And so they hated themselves. Yeah.
Sue Parker Hall 10:00
Absolutely. And then I've didn't quite know how this one fits to and there's often a cult of confession within a cult.
Sean Morgan 10:12
I have a perfect one for this. Oh, Tucker Carlson did a brilliant piece about baito O'Rourke. So when baito was running for president, he said and did all of these things that to a normal person would seem like a normal thing to say, like, for example, he said, My wife has done most of the work with our kids. And then like the left was like, that doesn't stand up to our purity test. How dare you say that your wife does more work for the kids and joke about it. And then he did like this confession on Oprah. I'm so sorry that I said that. I'm going to be more careful with my words. That was wrong of me. And he just kept on confessing and it's like, over and over again. I'm not getting Good enough, I was wrong. I'm horrible and Tucker's like this is sick. This is like this is making that, like, every everyone should hate themselves. He took her like, got exactly to that psychological point.
Sue Parker Hall 11:14
Yes. Yes. And again this this comes out of guilt and you have to scrape things up to confess you know things that you don't even believe that you've done wrong. You have to even make stuff up to assuage the cult leader or, you know, whoever's the leader. So that's the call to confession. Sacred science. This is where the doctrine of the group is considered the ultimate truth. There's no questioning it. There's no disputing it. Whoever's purveying, it's beyond criticism. The spoke person's list kind of gotten us.
Sean Morgan 12:03
Right. What comes to mind here, because especially with the word science, is that there's a priesthood in things like mainstream science. For example, when Dr. Fauci gets in front of everyone, he says, He knows what's best for us, even though all his predictions and everything had been wrong over and over and over again, it doesn't matter. He's the figurehead. He's in the priesthood. He is licensed, literally licensed by the states. And so people who have these licenses, whether they're lawyers, you know, with the bar association or medical, they they have this license that actually puts them in like a priesthood where you can't question their authority.
Sue Parker Hall 12:43
Absolutely. It's very disturbing, isn't it? It's very, very disturbing. Yes. And then the next one. Oh, language, you've already touched on the idea of language. Certain little sound bites are produced that only the in group know about these these, these sound bites are a way of actually stopping people's process. So reducing something that might you want might want to critically analyze or think deeply or widely about gets condensed to a
Sean Morgan 13:29
Yeah, the term conspiracy theorist exactly does that. I remember, there was a time when if you mentioned Donald Trump at all, or any of his policies or anything people would just say kids in cages. It was like this phrase, that even though the Obama administration had like the exact same policy, they just locked in on that because the media just kept repeating it over and over again and then as soon as someone says kids in cages, it was just like, Trump, orange man bad and shuts down all thinking
Sue Parker Hall 14:00
Absolutely So thought terminating, cliche. And that's it that's its whole purpose is to, to stop any critical analysis or any thinking beyond what's allowed doctrine over the person. So the doctrine is more important than the person, the ideology has to be upheld. And people will be sacrificed if they don't hold up to the ideology, if they have a different opinion or question is even even if they're just question it.
Sean Morgan 14:41
Yeah, I have a good example of that Roseanne Barr had the number one TV show in the United States. It was the only TV show that showed normal conservative family that happened to support Trump. And like, of course, because it was the only thing like that available in the media people. I just loved it. They they, it was it was, like I said, the highest rated television show. And what she did is she mentioned, Valerie Jarrett and the Muslim Brotherhood on Twitter one time, and then the rest of the mainstream media attacked her, she got fired. The TV show, you know, got got pooled, because she broke the laws of that priesthood. And she was, she was sacrificed. And what's really cool is that Roseanne Barr is interviewing with small YouTube channels like mine all the time now. So she she's one of the only people in Hollywood who has stood up for the truth.
Sue Parker Hall 15:37
Brilliant. Yeah. And if, if you do have a difference of opinion, you know, if you do argue with the doctrine, then you'd be thoroughly shamed. And that would be a sign that you were deviant or that you that you will needing to improve yourself. And that would, it would be a personal problem. You know, it wouldn't be an organization problem, it would be your personal problem. Right? And the last thing is dispensing of existence. The idea of being shunned or turned out of the community, you know,
Sean Morgan 16:17
yes, I've experienced this on Facebook. Right? Yes. This is where if you say anything that goes against the group, then they will say, well, you can just unfriend me if you support Trump, but yes, you You are no longer my friend, you are no longer part of my life. You think differently from me. You know, and I've never, I've never done that or thought that for people who think differently from me. But I suppose, of course, that there are cult like aspects to the Republican Party and the Trump supporters. So let's get into that because Trump is this big personality. That's the top and that's really dangerous for calls. So It's very important that we question Trump that we have dissenting opinions from Trump that we express those that we don't say everything he says is right, and all this stuff, because that could be really big danger of having and there already is, of course, called level of following. with Trump. So it's important that this goes beyond one person, and that's why I like terms like America first. And that goes beyond just Trump and, and him. So what are your thoughts on that?
Sue Parker Hall 17:36
And well, I feel physically disturbed any polarization of any kind. I really got interested in Donald Trump, when, when people were being so hateful towards him. It's a little bit like I don't like people being hateful towards men, or I don't feel I don't Like people being hateful towards anybody, and that really gets me activated. And I think I strive very carefully to find the middle of the middle of the Middle East ground for my own sanity and preservation. And really sorry,
Sean Morgan 18:20
sorry, I just wanted to before I forget what happened the reason why Donald Trump won the first election is because he got so much airtime even though it was all bad press it. It's like a it's like a perverse, turning him into a cult like figure by just constantly putting the attention on him and all his bad qualities. It's like it perverts it into a cult.
Sue Parker Hall 18:43
But he's demonized, isn't it? He's made to devil. Yes, yeah. Yeah. And I just find that so disturbing. And I just discovered rebel wisdom and they're very keen on speaking from a non polarized place. And I think for me, that's the way of going forward is, is wanting to find some middle road. That doesn't make them bad doesn't make them bad. That is just just brings peace to me. You know, my truth is to me that that's what I'm thinking.
Sean Morgan 19:28
Yeah, I agree. You know, I think that it's very dangerous to get into a one party or a one ideology kind of situation. That's what they have in Communist China and anyone who thinks differently gets put into a reeducation camp. So it would be horrible in the United States if we went to only the republican party and only conservative ideology. What will kind of what's it's natural for human society to have dissenting opinions and, and different perspectives. That's why we have a bicameral type of Parliament's system so that you have different sides that have dissenting arguments and they synthesize and create something better than they would have separately.
Sue Parker Hall 20:11
Yes, that's what we'd hope, isn't it? That's what we'd hate. Right? And I was I was thinking, I only have to say to some people, I don't hate Trump, and I get jumped on. You know, I'm not allowed to say I don't hate him. All right. And the beggars belief to me that his name is such a trigger for people that is equal have been so thoroughly brainwashed. And to not question you know, not Yeah, so that's the one thing and there was something else you said to pick up
Sean Morgan 20:52
on. It's interesting that the word you chose the word hate because that's very dark to hate. anything or anyone? So it's a very dangerous emotion to be so penetrated into the public consciousness because that can be weaponized into violence so quickly.
Sue Parker Hall 21:13
Yes, absolutely. And it's so divisive. I mean, it's so black and white. It's so utterly, utterly rejecting of other of anybody other. And I, I love listening to other people's points of view. I don't feel threatened by them. I welcome them having their opinion. But I do struggle when people aren't prepared to listen to me. Right?
Sean Morgan 21:39
Yes, so it's all about having boundaries. And if someone if someone wants to have a relationship with you, where they don't listen to you, well, that that's not going to fly. Know exactly. You just have to let them know your boundaries, right? Yes,
Sue Parker Hall 21:57
yeah, yeah, absolutely do and then it does include loss. And then they you've talked about losses too. Yeah. No, it has. It has involved losses.
Sean Morgan 22:06
The word cue and on is one of those words that will trigger people to reject you. Yeah. Because the implications are so scary for them. That it's easier to label you and discard you than it is to explore that idea. So, yeah, it's just something people have to look at and understand that if you're going to be in the search for truth, and it's going to if you're going to encounter some of these keywords, you know, related to politics or religion, and spirituality, or could be what's going on with Coronavirus right now, because that has an ideology and if you question that you can get rejected by the group.
Sue Parker Hall 22:56
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
Sean Morgan 23:00
So So, you know, go ahead, you can finish your thought. But then can you tell people where they can go to learn more about your Facebook group about masculinity and learn more about you?
Sue Parker Hall 23:10
Oh, okay. Thank you. And yes, so a colleague and I said, Fine. We've got a little Facebook page called the other half, which is the other half of the story, we feel as though women's statistics, women's experience, women's interventions are much more talked about and have been prioritized. And we'd like men's mental health in particular, to be given more thought and more attention than just things like you know, now you've mentioned it, there's a very high suicide rate for men. If it was women who were committing suicide at that rate, there would be absolute uproar. But But there isn't, you know, that men are doing it. Yes. So the other thing We're running a little training day actually, it's full now. But I think I might run a skit again, we're looking at archetypes rather than stereotypes. We're looking at masculinity in terms of its archetypal qualities and characters and from a very positive point of view, you know, and acknowledging that some alpha male is helpful, or even attractive. Yeah, yeah. But we'll be running that. I think we'll be running that a few times. And there's been quite a lot of interesting. Hundred places went in less than 24 hours. So I think we'll be doing it again. I think we will. Great. Well, yeah,
Sean Morgan 24:50
so I will put a link to the Facebook group so people can easily access that because that's free for people to join, right? Oh, absolutely. And
Sue Parker Hall 24:56
the the, the hundred plus training is free. We're asking for donation after the event you know, if you think it was any good, perhaps you can bug us some money. That's no way we're just really keen to get the get the information out.
Sean Morgan 25:13
Thank you sue for your thoughts about the the psychology of the cult of the deep states and perhaps even of the Trump voters. And, you know, we'll we'll do another conversation soon about other aspects of the the Great Awakening.
Sue Parker Hall 25:28
Brilliant. Thank you. Sean
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