Shem Guibbory on Overcoming Fear During The Pandemic

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Sean Morgan  00:00
I'm Sean Morgan and I'm asking the hard questions about alternative topics like Q anon and Coronavirus, get the free ebook at Q and on faq.com. I'm here with my friend Shem. And actually Sham we met because we got into a meeting, I was selling websites and I showed you your website and you're working on a new project. And we found out that we're both musicians, and we're both interested in spirituality. And so you ended up helping me You did a session, I don't know what to call it exactly. You can explain what it's called. But basically, the thing that really helped me is getting in touch with the inner child and forgiveness and things like that. So thank you for helping me with that. And can you just give us a quick introduction of who you are what you do?
 
Shem  00:48
Sure. Shem give Bori I'm a violinist. I have been a member of the Metropolitan Opera orchestra for quite a long time. I also been blessed to have quite an extensive career as a soloist and playing chamber music, both traditional European classical chamber music and what was at in the 80s. And 90s was called the avant avant garde scene in New York, which is really pretty International. I was the original violinist in the Steve Reich in musicians, with Anthony Davis, and episiotomy, and through those two groups, I met a host of the most amazing musicians from really all across the planet in all different cultures. And I think that those, that multicultural influence had a profound effect on me. Do you want a little bit of history that ties into where I'm working now because it's kind of an unusual set of wonderful gifts? And I'd be sure yeah,
 
Sean Morgan  01:55
about about a quick summary of that.
 
Shem  01:59
So um, I grew up in new European family Russian father living in Connecticut very disciplined upbringing. Everybody was up early and we practiced I had to practice violin and piano before I went to school and went to public school in Norwalk, Connecticut, which was great. And at the age of 15, I got an offer to go to California and go to college at California Institute of the Arts, Cal Arts, which was Walt Disney's brainchild that the arts were fundamentally interrelated and should be taught and studied that way. I got an offer to come with a scholarship. My parents said, Do you want to go I said, Yeah. And these parents who would help me but this like tight rein very distant said, Go. I was like, Wow. So there was a at CalArts there were musicians from Ghana, from South India. From North India from Bali, Japanese have shakuhachi teacher and these people could play plus the European classical stuff and there was a small explosion in my mind of a Eurocentric view. Then you combined Allan Kaprow running the art department, he was the guy who invented the happening, the art happening. And john Baldessari and Sandy Mackendrick in the converting the film school hand skills the animators from Walt Disney studio who did all the hand drawings of the early cartoons and the early Mickey Mouse and all of the characters all of that and the Sorcerer's Apprentice. All those guys they were teaching there. So was amazing. And it's kind of set me on a path of always looking for what was in common with many arts. Okay. So now Now you and I met where I'm doing sessions for people, not just musicians, not just artists, but for anyone, business people, executives, artists, too, who want to clear resistance that they have to their creativity. Or someone may want to actually, they know they're creative, but you just don't know what to do. How do you find out what you want to do? Right. And I've become very, over the years of teaching both music and doing quite a number of different type of counseling sessions, both as a client and as a let's see a learner under the guidance of a teacher, right. I've become very good at being a diagnostician as to where people make when they get stuck. What's what they're stuck on, you know, like you're trying to move ahead and your shirts caught on something. You can't See the thorn bush that you backed into and level and then those swords they hook through the shirt. You can tear your shirt off your back, you can rip your skin, maybe you'll get the thorns out, maybe they're still in there. So I become another expert at figuring out what, where people get hung up in themselves, and helping them take get unstuck or take the next step and whatnot. Now, I'm curious because,
 
Sean Morgan  05:31
you know, when we when we met them, when we did our session, I was in this technology sales job, and it was it was quite stressful. And I'm wondering, did you diagnose that I needed to get in touch with my inner child or is that just a part of any kind of session that you do that that's part of the process?
 
Shem  05:53
Let's the inner child is an integral component to creativity for every human being One among several. But in answer to your question, no. I'm You what? So I really didn't know you, right? We had had these interactions about a web website design that and then your way of handling the conversations caught my attention. Because at one time I was tell you why I was just fascinated by sales. Like what goes into it and how do people do it? It's just, it's the whole art. And for the people who really are, I believe good at it. For many of them. It's a spiritual practice of alignment. them being aligned and helping someone else get aligned with whatever benefit product has or the idea. I was very impressed with how you handled so I thought I got it. Got to ask this guy, would you want a session? If you liked it give me a testimonial or something like that you said, Sure. So I had no clue what your orientation in life was. It wasn't it's just that you were really good at what you did. And you were pro at sales at cold handling strangers, and which is not easy in, in my opinion. So when it comes to a session, my intuition is, well, it's pretty good, getting better and well honed. And I basically, within this is with a counseling session, whatever you would call this or, you know, creativity sessions, or a music lesson for a group or a instrumental lesson for a musician, regardless of whether it's violin, piano, or whatever. Within a minute or two minutes, I get it. This is not unusual for experienced teachers who were effective with different people. I do have a good gift of that. And then it's within just a very short time, you can sort of see the path and then comes, well, how do you open possibilities for a person laying the breadcrumbs so that there is a discovery for them rather than you saying, Oh, you need to blah blah, blah, do this. Right. Which sometimes it's tempting because you could see Oh, if only you If only but I find that that doesn't work so much as sort of trying to hold a space into which the person can step and go. There are many skill. There are many skills or routines that routines really. There are many approaches that one can take to do that. And it just became evident for me what I believe to be the best thing and I've learned to stick to my guns and not second guess myself. And I really haven't been wrong yet.
 
Sean Morgan  09:25
So you were telling me about how you perceive the universe. And this is not just you. This is like an ancient, you mentioned Taoism and other types of traditions and worldviews, that there's this energy in the universe. And there's the yin and the yang. And, and you said something about the 99% of the universe is actually feminine energy. Can you talk about Yeah, model of the universe. Okay.
 
Shem  09:53
So I've had some lifelong interests. One is I was a I was fascinated by Richard Fineman, the physicist as an adventurer who had a unique way of tackling problems. And for him if he wasn't playing at physics, he was working physics. He got nowhere he had to be playing. And then he would, things would unfold for him. So, and I followed in as best I can, over the last 30 odd years, some of the lay the people, the physicists who write for the lay audience, right. So I follow that. I've also had a lifelong interest in the martial arts with an emphasis on for a long time it was the martial part because I had a very combative streak. And more recently, I understand that that's 10% of the application of the Part of the internal flow of tea in the body and becoming aligned and aware and directing that flow. And then as a violinist, it's a very end as a musician, it's a very, there are certain systems and principles which have to be observed physiologically for the sound to be beautiful for a string player for a pianist, and even for wind players, there are certain principles that have to be followed. And I started to see common languages between all that. And in the last three years I've studied with grant of, I believe he's a knowledge in the Chinese martial art world. Here is a grandmaster. His name is Joseph in enchi lives in New Jersey. Very generous man. It's quite remarkable. Because he teaches very directly without hiding stuff, how to let go to the Yin flow of the universe now, yin and yang are these opposite forces, we discuss them and evaluate them as if they're separate things. Right, the male and the female, but in fact, they're really they never appear one without the other. And as you develop in ci Gong, which means cheese, lifeforce, and Gong is practice. I see developing that whether it's Tai Chi, Bagua, sheeny, these other things, they're all applications of the same thing as you develop, you start to gain a sense of directive control where you can emphasize young energy which is viewed as male, forceful, penetrating, piercing impactive right? Or Yin, which is yielding? Yeah, well we say passive because there is compared to an aggression, it's passive. But if if you had seafood in, put his finger on your shoulder and try to stay standing, and you realize and he's laughing at you, because his muscles are not tense at all. And he's just laughing as you can, as you have to gradually submit to His pressure which he is allowing more and more of gravity to move through. This is not passive. I mean, when you experience it that way, it's like, oh, this is something else. And he is able to teach that how to basically allow the weight of the bone in the tendon to do your work. Now you can apply this in playing the body In the piano or anything, the greatest artists when you watch this what they're doing, they just think up to it different way. He got it this way,
 
Sean Morgan  14:11
is not just a physical practice, right i mean this this is a principle that you can apply to the way you you think the way you behave the way you you are in the world, the the way that you perceive things and interact with people
 
Shem  14:30
completely if you're crossing hands with him in sparring, right, ci so if you're doing that, he'll, as a teacher, you know, he'll be giving you what to work with in guiding but if he doesn't want to be there, you can never touch him because he's so in your flow with your energy that he's just either coming with you or not there. He's just there. You can never Touch the man. And you drive you want to drive on the road, right? You're driving in your car, you're thinking about this, you're thinking about that. And if you want space around you on the crowded highway, you find a certain rate and you'd let the people pass it you You Let Them honk, you let them get on your tail, then you slow down a little, you release energy on the gas pedal, and then they pull around you, right? That is a very similar application. And he uses that analogy all the time. And that when you're in that it is something you do kind of in the back of your mind, you don't actually think about all these details. Otherwise, you'd be there gripping the wheel and be you'd be nuts. And that's where mistakes would happen. That would be my young driver, or the Yin driver who's just gets there. Right,
 
Sean Morgan  15:50
right. And what I've experienced in my life, and I think this is pretty common in western civilization is that we get this idea Do in our head that we have to be ultra young, ultra active, ultra motivated, in order to, I don't know what it is achieve, get things get money, be successful be recognized. But you know, what happens is when you just keep going and going and trying and trying, trying, you burn yourself out, you just spin your wheels, and you get nowhere sometimes. Yeah, so there's there's some kind of balance where you can't just do nothing but but you can get with the flow and get aligned with who you are and what your strengths are. And just do them instead of trying you just do and then things start to fall into place and you start attracting certain things and the timing is amazing and, and then all of a sudden you're achieving more by doing less.
 
Shem  16:54
Yes, that's an example of that principle at work in my view.
 
Sean Morgan  16:59
So So I'm sure a lot of people want to tap into that. And, you know, I'm sure there are a million ways to do it. With, with my particular case where you helped me is that I was holding I was there was some kind of emotional blockage within me at that time, where I wasn't acknowledging that part of myself that wanted to play wanted to have fun, wanted to maybe experience emotions that I wasn't ready to experience or maybe some forgiveness or things that from the past. Do you think that's the same case for a lot of people? There's some kind of block there.
 
Shem  17:40
Yeah, I actually, it's a I'm glad you you mentioned that because I'll tell you a story of a very amazing opera singer who never made it. The way I couldn't figure out why, and this person was so dead. Katy on the audition circuit, it's a grind to get through and it's like it never happened. And, you know, Oprah's the law of attraction was very big at that time and she kept practicing and practicing it. And for the life of me, like, as a, as a person, as a professional musician with tremendous experience hearing operatic voices, like the best in the world for decades. Like none of this made sense to me. So, turns out, I've heard a number of very experienced counselors use this percentage 90%, roughly, of our lives are controlled by our subconscious. Related to that concept is what I believe Einstein said you know, like, we will To use 10% of our brains, and that's these are, that's a convention number. I believe the quote is, is many people just the science have figured it out that there are different parts of the brain is still evolving and so on right? But that 90% subconscious layer will put the brakes on in so many ways. Now let's take my opera singer friend, a pianist to played for them regularly who is very astute and observant and understands the dreck part of the business and understands the art part. I asked him you know, Frank, can you can you give me an explanation for this? Why is this person suffering so with no luck. His conjecture was that when they walked out on the stage, they were projecting a You owe me underneath everything and that vibration communicates like this. And so the people instead of sitting, listening like this is sitting listening like this. Yeah. And that it is off putting. Now that's a that's a, you could almost see a stereotypical example because we don't know, is it true or is it not? But it's an example in illustration of how that subconscious can work. So let me give you an example.
 
Sean Morgan  20:24
So humility would be actually a part of that feminine energy because it's more yielding. The The, the first shall be the last and the last shall be the first is actually a universal principle. Where you know, you try to assert yourself, people don't want to raise you up, but if you humble yourself, people like appreciate you and trust you and want to exalt you.
 
Shem  20:52
Yes, I believe that that is exactly the the principle at play there. So part of of what I will do in a session. And the thing is this the subconscious, in the model that I am operating in this to say it's a, it's a, it's an applied theory, because everybody's still learning this stuff we were, we we perceive things as how we think they are, and yet they always are so infinite, we're learning so, but it's a very effective and consistent model. Okay, is that the subconscious brings up, it's motivated by fear. The antidote to fear is love. Fear is really ultimately like, what is that and that when false evidence appearing real, right? And fear does not keep you safe. That's an that's an old that's an old paradigm of belief that I believe is out of date. But that comes up and the fear one To go to the light wants to go to the love and be transformed now, so we hear we there's fear there's a block for it. Let me give you an example of myself. Where
 
Sean Morgan  22:14
can we do an example related to Coronavirus in the lockdown? Because everyone is experiencing some level of fear mongering from the media and from the government and everything. So people are in their home, they're wearing masks, they're looking at other people wearing masks. They're worried about their health, their family, their job, their money. And so there's this big pressure of fear on everyone as a collective. And I'm just wondering, how do people break out of that and experience that transformation you're discussing? Sure.
 
Shem  22:52
All right. So one of the challenges that I and my colleagues and friends have Had specially in the first six weeks, say starting from mid May when things mid March when things were starting to shut down, was there was the fear of coming in contact with the virus. So there was a need to adopt sanitary procedures and distancing. And a real careful analysis of what comes into your dwelling. Where was it? What do you do? Okay, so there's that. But there's also there were these waves of fear that felt like paralyzing like, Oh my god, what if you start protecting right? So To my mind, the fear component is related to the virus. Now, is it something that would be naturally you should be afraid of? Oh, yeah. All right. So this is not a Pollyanna point of view them thing, however, transforming that fear. into trust in Divine Source, whatever that is, God divine oneness, Mother, Father God, I don't know I whatever, whatever your orientation is, but that trust is, in part, the antidote to that fear. And you got to take care of business, your mask you put on your gloves, or whatever and you wash your hands, you don't touch your face, you know, you know? it you know, there are examples that there's that whole church in Korea and some some guys being taken up a someone's being taken an American being taken up on charges in Myanmar, because he he conducted religious services or something with you know, large gatherings of people. Just like You know, to me, that's contraindicated, that is not love that something else to me, but those are examples. And maybe part of that those individuals way of dealing with the fear was trusting in the Lord and I am compelled to do good work. So I'm going to do this regardless. And that was their personal response to the fear. I mean, this we're speculating, we don't know. But those would be illustrations of how subconscious fear produces actions in a person or limits action. That's one example. Is that helpful to you into? Yeah,
 
Sean Morgan  25:36
I have. I feel that in my own life, faith, faith and trust. Just another word, faith, faith is just another way of saying trust in God or whatever your orientation is. I've found that, you know, it's a it's a mystery. How do you develop faith? Where does it come from? What if you have an atheist client He says, Jim, I don't believe in God. But I want to be creative. I want to get in touch with ever, whatever the magic thing is that you're getting in touch with. How do you work with that? I mean, the general thing is based on what you're telling me, you know, leave the god part out because when you're allowing the inflow to move through you, the young is always there and you're really in that flow will figure it out. Yeah, you can't force someone
 
Shem  26:29
you know what I mean? So figured out that's that's their that's their business. It's not mine to interfere but I don't
 
Sean Morgan  26:36
need to be getting them in touch with divine energy. They may not be open to other ones
 
Shem  26:41
calling it the human force of the universe. So so but now this goes back. So So your question about the the physicists and 99% of the universe, right? I have this book right here. You're gonna you're gonna laugh. I think I should have shown it to you. So these two physicists are reading The latest discoveries of the universe. And I think this is like 2017. Books is like, we have no idea. Right? And these two guys and they have these very sweet little one of them's an illustrator, and these very sweet little cartoon sentence. It's actually there's, there's a lot in the book, you can't it's not, it's for lay readers, but you really have to, they really make you think about it. But they say, look, we know we're able to define as physicists, both subatomic and Interstellar, we know about 5% of the universe, what it is. There's another 25%, which we understand where the term these days is dark matter. And we know what that is. And, but then there's this other 70% and, frankly, we have no idea what it is. You take that. I take that too. See through him. He says, Ah, come here, but out, you're wrong. Okay. So here's the 5%, you know, right. And he's using his young force and I can hold that, you know, I might, he might wear me down, but I'm, I have more mass than he does. And, okay, now here, here's, here's the dark matter. And then there's another element where he it's beyond the Yin, to what he calls and I've heard other people call the void. And it's like where he's not there and you can't even come, you can't even connect. You can't. He's not there. He's never there. No matter what you do, no matter how you do it. And it's not just reflexes. I mean, you have to experience it to know it. But for the purposes of the interview, this is I'm telling a good story. But now, those Example See, but this is where that all ties together. And when you as a player get to certain states of playing music, where you are not playing something is playing you, yeah. Where or where you're improvising and there is a sense of some totally unplanned. Your following that you're trusting you're trusting you listen back to the recording will Wow, that really makes sense. We had none of none of us in the group had any idea that was there was no intention to do that sort of thing, but it comes through. So those are examples of letting go to a flow. An athlete in flow state where they just the incredible accomplishments move through their well trained body and they exceed anything they expected or and records get broken. More that pic so these are all examples of Touching into the flow, the flow of the universe sounds nice, right? Like the flow of urine or just, I feel better when I go.
 
Sean Morgan  30:12
Right. So I think that's appealing to a lot of people to enjoy life more to get into flow, to not have to try so hard not to put so much pressure on themselves. And it's one of the most pleasurable things to the human brain to be in flow and to be doing something that's challenging and rewarding. And, but it's not overly taxing. So if someone wants to tap into flow and learn a little bit about it from you, how would they do that?
 
Shem  30:43
You mean, how do they find me? Yeah. Oh, on the web. I'm well represented there. They can go to the website that we had discussed that you would actually inadvertently help me with was his running wolf cloud. One word running Wolf dot cloud www search me it'll come up. Yeah. And so reach me through the website. Yeah,
 
Sean Morgan  31:08
great. I will put all those links below and people can reach out to you Shem thank you so much for your time.
 
Shem  31:14
Sean it's a great pleasure wish you luck down there and I hope to talk to you soon Take care everybody Bye bye.
 
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