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Sean Morgan 00:00
I'm Sean Morgan and I'm asking the hard questions about alternative topics like Q anon and Coronavirus. Get the free ebook at Q and on faq.com. Can you tell me, Eric, you know, I found you through one of my fans on the channel here. And they said you gotta check out this chiropractor who, you know got a video with a couple million views about the treatment for Coronavirus, or I don't know what it was specifically, you can go into the details. And then I searched for you and I found some anti media against you that some kinds of news media put out a hit piece against you saying this doctor is claiming he cures COVID-19 and he can't and all this stuff. So can you give me a little bit of background about who you are, what you do, and then we can get started with the conversation.
Dr. Eric Nepute 00:53
Yeah, so first of all, Sean, thanks for taking time out of your day to have me on the program. It's a it's an honor and pleasure to be here and I'm all about it. helping educate. I'm a doctor, you know, doctor and Latin means teacher. And our job is to teach, reach and inspire as many people as we can. So I love to have just a real honest conversation. That's the only thing I know how to do. So I'm a Doctor of Chiropractic. I graduated from Logan University in December 2006. I've got an extensive background in nutrition, neurology, sports medicine. That was my degree. Before I got into chiropractic. I was in sports medicine, and I own and operate multiple clinics in the St. Louis Missouri area. I have fully integrated practices which I don't know if you know what that means. But in our offices, we have chiropractors, medical doctors, nurse practitioners. We have weight loss experts. We have psychiatrist cardiologist pain management, pediatricians. We also have, we're networked with multiple hospitals that we work with, as well as we have some surgical centers so we do a lot in the healthcare space a lot. And our goal and our purpose and our mission with all of our practices is to give every man woman and child The opportunity to have full expression of their health and their life through what we call wellness care, and wellness care, Sean is different than the standard medical care that you're used to right? Medicine is a part of wellness, but it's not all of it, what we do is we look at the whole picture of the body. So if you come into one of our clinics, we're not just going to focus on your symptoms, right? You're used to going to a doctor, and you say, Hey, I got diabetes, they go, here's a pill for that, or I got heart disease, here's a pill for that, or I've got pain, here's a pill for that. We don't do that. We take a step back and we with all the different providers we have, we look at the physiology of the person. So we look at number one structure and alignment of the body. Listen, you know as well as I do that your car is out of alignment, that's going to cause a problem with your vehicle. Same thing sure with the human body. Well most people know is when the body is out of alignment that messes up the nerves, when the nerves get bad that messes up muscles, joints and organs. So that that then is going to mess up, you know, your nervous system. So we measured nerve and brain activity. We do that through heart rate variability, other nerve scans, you name it. If your brains not working, no other system in your mind is going to work. The brain controls the immune system. And right now the immune system is a hot topic. I don't care what you do for your immune system, if your nervous system isn't regulating it, you're just not going to be good. Then we look at, we look at muscles, bones and joints. And then we also look at your chemistry. But 90 plus percent of our patients which by the way, not to brag, but just to give you an idea. Last year alone, we were responsible in the greater St. Louis area for over 300 350,000 office visits. So we see a lot of people, okay, we're hands on with people. And in my 15 years of caring for folks, we've literally had millions of office visits. Let me just be clear with that. Not a lot of practitioners can say that. All right. So we're hands on dealing with folks. You know, you've been so gracious and kind. I had to put you off a couple times today because we were so busy taking care of patients, right, which is our priority. So what we do on our offices is we help find the cause and so when and by the We've been on television, radio and social media very active in the greater St. Louis area for well over a decade. And the stuff that I'm saying now is the exact same things that we've been saying for the past decade. It just now seems like there's a, you know, louder platform for people are more eager now to learn about, you know, health and wellness than ever, because nobody's really talking about what can you do to get yourself healthier? Sean, let's have this conversation real quick. You know, the World Health Organization, NIH, CDC, the Congress's doctors, the federal government says people who have these risk factors are more prone to death from COVID-19 Coronavirus. So if you have heart disease, this, by the way, was a study that was done at NYU just this week. If you have heart disease, you're at higher risk, you have diabetes, you're at high risk, high blood pressure, higher risk and obesity, higher risk. So if you have those, then you're at a higher risk. So what we've been screaming from the mountaintop for the past 15 years is we need to get more people less sick. So we need to get people out of this group and into the group over here. doesn't have that stuff. Okay, so so that's, that's really a lot that we that's a lot that we we talked about. And as far as our videos we had a video is hilarious. One of the 30 minute videos that I've done one of like the last 20 over the last two weeks we've probably done about 20 videos with different doctors and different people and I did a few on my own. We were talking about people are asking about hydrochloric when I don't know if you've heard about hydrochloric acid or not, but it's one of the now FDA approved therapies for Coronavirus. So the protocol is hydrochloric when zinc and z Pak and we have Dr. Vladimir who is one of the doctors in Brooklyn, New York who really is kind of he didn't necessarily pioneer but he's one that gets as the most notoriety about this. We did a talk with him. He showed us his protocols. We talked about that. Then I went live and reported it on on social media. And people were asking well if we can't get hydrochloric when what can we do? Well hydrochloric when if you know what it does the farmer If it is, is it works as a as a Ayana for what am i onto for is is this is it helps, it helps open up the cell so you know what a cell is right like a cell membrane. Remember that from biology class, if things can't get through the cell through osmosis, which means going from the outside of the cell to inside to where the, you know, the DNA and everything is it has to go through an electron transport chain. And there's these things called ion ciphers, which are things like core sequin and quinine and other ions that allow those those pores to open up and allows this the nutrients and everything to get in that hydrochloric when helps open up the cell so zinc can get at zinc has been known for Gosh, first of all, 150 plus years of homeopathic medicine has shown that using zinc and quinine and other things is very beneficial for symptoms of flus and colds, whether it's a you know, Coronavirus, or the cold or whatever. But there are studies that have been shown 2010 there was a huge thing I can't think the journalists on my site, but there are multiple journals 2010 and 2006. That show zinc is actually can actually stop the regeneration proliferation of viruses and it even mentioned in the study Corona viruses, which remember Coronavirus has been around for a while. And I know what people say this is a novel Coronavirus, well, which means it's a new strand. Viruses mutate every year, sometimes a couple times throughout the year, which is why the flu shot most times doesn't work. So we were reporting about that and talking about well, if you can't find hydrochloric when you can use either course equipment, or you can use quinine to open up the cell. Vladimir even talked about that. Zinc is the key to get that in the system. And so we were talking about that and people on our Facebook feed were saying well, we can't get hydrochloric when we can't get quinine. I said listen, there's quinine ins and tonic water. And there is and there has been from the beginning and people don't know much about quinine quarantined. From the quinone bark of a tree, and you can make a tea out of it. I mean, back in the, you know, back in the 19 1900s, late 1900s when the British went and invaded India, they were getting malaria and all kinds of other viruses and sicknesses and diseases, and they were using the tonic out of the bark for T, and it prevented their sickness and disease. It was amazing. So there's a ton of research that shows that zinc can do this stuff. And I said, well just go get some tonic water and then get some zinc. And that's a great way to help with symptomatology, of any flu of any cold whether it's Coronavirus or anything, because remember 98% of people that are diagnosed positively with Coronavirus do not end up in the hospital. Where do they told to do Shawn go home and let this thing run its course and self limit. So what can you do to help yourself with symptoms? zinc, sorry, quinine, zinc and and the other nutrients have been we use them for 15 years in our practices. And it's been amazing and it's hilarious because There was a 15 second clip out of that 30 minute clip. They took they beat the media and said local doctor claims that he can cure Coronavirus with tonic water. And I never said that. And what's hilarious is anybody that's interviewed me, and anybody that reported this, all of them have said, we never watched this video. So it's like, what are you doing? Like how can you possibly report fair and balanced news? If you don't even get the doctor side of the story? So yeah, I mean, listen with, with anything with any truth that's out there. There's going to be you know, people are going to love it. Some people are going to hate it. If I gave Listen, right now, I don't know if you saw this. The federal government gave out $1 trillion to local small businesses. Did you see that? And and yesterday, that money run out and there are still 10s of thousands of applications that are out and they haven't gotten their their their bailout money. Yeah. So all the people that got the money are excited. The people that didn't get the money are mad because They didn't. So that's the truth. When you talk about anything, you're always going to have 50% of the people that are mad, and the other percent of the people that are glad. So I learned a long time ago that sticks and stones will break your bones, but words will never hurt you. And whatever their people's thoughts and opinions about you are, doesn't even matter. I've got thousands, thousands. Let me say one more thing. I've got thousands of people Facebooking us emailing us, calling us thanking us for giving them that information. They're all reporting that they're feeling better functioning better, their headaches are going away that are happening with the viruses that are out there, their symptoms are going away. They're feeling better. And to me, that's what it's all about. So that's how that went down.
Sean Morgan 10:39
I think I know I know how you feel because I'm getting mixed messages from from people that when I put out information on on social media, questioning the Coronavirus narrative, asking Hey, what is the true origin? Was it really a wet market? Or was it from the level four by a lab that was right down the road. And when I start questioning the the meaning stream narrative. People get angry people start to shame me. And I think part of the reason for that is because they're very scared. They're scared of being in a pen demick they're scared of being quarantine of not working of the economic shutdown. And any person that starts to kind of shake their their level of mental stability. It's easier for them to just kind of accept information from authority figures. But the problem is we're getting so many mixed messages. We're not getting good data. For example, the World Health Organization said there was no human to human transmission at first, and Dr. Fauci first, he says that he would allow doctors and he himself would allow his patients to take hydroxychloroquine and then this week, as the President said, it was a game changer and it was such a promising cocktail, you know, then all of a sudden, Fauci is kind of going back on his word and saying, Now, wait a minute here. I don't I'm not giving the okay for hydroxychloroquine and some of the governor's We're banning it and not allowing doctors to prescribe it. In the meantime, they were stockpiling it. So we have so many mixed messages. And what I see are media hit pieces against hydroxychloroquine and chloric. When and they're saying one person died because they drank fish tank cleaner. And it had like a floor Quinn's something else written on the box and they said, Well, I died because the president said hydroxychloroquine could save my life. And then, you know, another case of doctors and other people on CNN saying that hydroxychloroquine can can cause sudden death, when in reality pregnant women have been prescribed to use it children have been prescribed the military has been using it. It's safe and effective is FDA approved. If you take it in the right doses, the side effects are very minimal. It's proven safe and effective. So do you have any guesses as to why the mainstream media would be demonizing a safe and effective protocol?
Dr. Eric Nepute 12:59
Well, you Here's what I'll tell you let's talk about this. So all I know is common sense. That's why we created our Facebook page called common sense health. That's the only way I know how to think. Right. So let's talk about this number one. hydraulically core core Quinn has been an FDA drug out on the market for decades, okay. By the way, it was originally made for a malaria drug. And and we learned about this in pharmacology school how it works right when I was in school pharmacology class. So here's the deal. We know that it's that it's effective for malaria. It's been used as an off label for autoimmune diseases, inflammation, muscle cramps, spasms, restless leg syndrome, and there's no major reports of terms of death, it doesn't have a blackbox warning, it doesn't have a warning on or label like opioids do now and and Zantac does and all these other medications that you're not hearing in the news anymore. So I'm concerned about that. And we have a lot of our patients in our offices that have used this stuff for decades and, and I've never had any problems with it. Just like any thing people don't realize that they look this up Sean 17,000 Americans die every year from Tylenol. Okay? People don't know these little things, right? So what we don't know, scares us. And the only way you have fear is if you don't have enough facts, and then you'll have enough faith. So fear goes away when you have faith in facts, which is why I've been studying everyday for 15 years, all this stuff. So I've got some some thoughts that I think makes sense to me is this is number one. I think it's very interesting that Fauci and Burks and Governor Newsome and a whole slew of people out there and even como came out and said, Hey, listen, there's not going to be a new normal until there's a vaccine for this thing. Now, let's have a conversation about that for a minute because I'm not against vaccines. I'm absolutely pro vaccine. If you want to get a vaccine, go and get one I have no problem with that. I'm very concerned that there's not going to be a safety or efficacy tests done on this vaccine. I'm very concerned with that. By the way, I would love if any of you your listeners would please put in the comments below if they could find any reports on any safety and efficacy studies done on any flu shots or any vaccines. If they could show us that then I'd be I get on my Facebook page right now and just go, boom, everybody should get this shot. So I'm a little concerned about that. I'm also a little bit concerned that Fauci has financial ties, which is they're not even denying this, though, that he has financial ties with Bill Gates at one point, so he 110 million dollars gates gave the fallacies Institute to help push the vaccine information in the vaccine through I'm concerned about that. That's common knowledge. Okay. I'm also concerned that they're talking about putting a biological microchip in our own our body to for us to go and we can get scammed to show that we're immune to it. Like, I really think what's happening. I really think that it's a it's a it really truly is showing in my opinion, this is my personal opinion, not my professional opinion, not my doctor opinion. My my personal opinion is they're going to talk about the flu or they talk about the bad vaccine, and then they're going to talk about the microchip and the chips going to see. So out, just so off the charts crazy that people are going to go, they're going to finally concede and go fine. We won't do the chip, but the vaccines mandatory people gonna go as long as you don't do the chip, that's fine. Let's do the damn shot. And then here's the question that we need to ask because there are some states right now that have mandatory vaccines for children like to go to school, like California, for example. But did you know that in the state of California, if your child does a titer test, and they actually test and show that they have an immune system and antibodies already to that, that vaccine that they don't need or to that disease, they don't need the vaccine. So if we, if the numbers are true, that are really holding up that this thing is infectious as it is and more people have had it, then we know most of the people that have had it don't even know they've had it, and those that did have it, just know that like a flu and a cold with no big deal that those people are going to have antibody. So if I take an antibody test, and I show that I've got antibodies to this thing, Sean still gonna be mandated to take the test. So when politics and money gets involved with health care, that's when things go away. hypocrisy is the founder of medicine said first do no harm, and then second, do everything you can to help the patients within reason. We're not doing any of that stuff. So that's kind of my two cents. And I can go deeper down the rabbit hole with that. I've spoken to lots of doctors, lots of government officials about this. And it's it's very interesting. And I think it's interesting that reports just came out earlier this week that Mike Pompeo was asking for the DOJ and everybody to investigate China to see if it did come from a lab. And that's being reported on Fox News, CNN and NBC. They're not even denying this stuff. They're saying we need to look into it. But how do you weed through all the Real News and all the fake news because the majority of the news that's out there right now is really pushing that narrative that everybody's gonna die from this thing we need to stay at home. We've got so many deaths that are happening, which they're even saying are presumed deaths. Like, let me show you That's one of my, one of my patients that we missed yesterday that she's a biller, coder insurance biller encoder for one of the biggest hospitals here in town. And these are diagnostic codes, which is the language that we speak as doctors to the insurance companies. And she showed me the two codes that they're using for their patients right now. One is a code that's positive test for Coronavirus. COVID-19. And the other one is a negative viral test. It says but they still have the code that's being used the most is any patient that has symptoms flu like symptoms cold like symptoms coronavirus symptoms, the code use 07. Point two is us virus not identified, but we can still assign clinical epidemiology of diagnosis of COVID-19 to those patients, even if there's not a test done, and the hospitals are making money off that you got to understand if you have a Medicare patient that comes into your office to your hospital with COVID-19 that's worth about $13,000 to the hospital and if that patient goes on a ventilator, it's worth about another 40,000. So there's a lot of money being involved with this thing.
Sean Morgan 19:05
That's that's really what I was trying to get at is what are the incentives? Because I don't understand why the media is is so against safe and effective treatments of Coronavirus. And, and so you talked about financial ties between Fauci and gates. You know, is there a financial incentive for vaccinations they say some of these vaccination programs would be? No not there would be no profit incentive but but why would they want to microchip people for something that's really not that high to risk? I mean, maybe I would feel differently if, if this was really like the black plague and it was wiping off half of humanity but this is like the death levels of like a high flu season.
Dr. Eric Nepute 19:52
Well, look at the look at the guesstimation that came out originally right that model that first said 2.2 million Americans are going A diet that scared the heck out of everybody. Then they said, Oh, we got some data out the data doesn't support that. It's going to be 200 to 100,000. Then the very next week, they came out said, Ah, the data doesn't support that. It's going to be around 80,000. Then they came back out later that week and said, Ah, the data doesn't support that. It's going to be around 60,000, which is the equivalent of a flu season, which if you look at statistics, and by the way, in my office, we have a cardiologist that works in this office I'm in now. He's been in cardiology for 35 years. And I said, let me ask you a question. Have you ever noticed a huge dip in the death rates of Cardiology or cardiovascular disease? He goes, No. 35 years, it's always been around 600,000 people die from that. And he said, I showed him the numbers according to the CDC, where there has been an almost 15% reduction in death by heart disease and I said, Is that normal? He goes, that doesn't make any sense. And the same is true with pneumonia. Pneumonia is gone off a cliff and the flu right all these things like because everything Listen, because it's this it's it's go and follow the money right? And then there's a narrative that's being pushed and people are bowing down to the you know the Great and Powerful oz you know this whole thing reminds me of the movie The Wizard of Oz right? You remember when the Cowardly Lion, The Tin Man and Dorothy and Toto were all like at the final scene and they're in front of the Great and Powerful oz and, and he's saying bow down in front of me go get me the, you know, you brought me the witch's broom. But I'm still not going to grant you you know, your freedom to go back to to to Kansas, and Toto the dog goes around and sees a curtain and pulls this curtain back and finds this little old senile, confused, scared man behind the curtain going. Remember, pay no attention to the man pulling the strings. Pay attention to the great oz. That's what's happening right now. And it's 2020 man, it's time for us to wake up and see what 2020 vision that's what the world needs right now. We need to wake people up and people need to start critically thinking on their own and stop looking at the main headline. You know where it says local doctor claims that he can cure Coronavirus never said that. Are you kidding me? Come on. I've been doing media 15 years. I know what you shouldn't shouldn't say. First of all, I would never say that because it's not true. They're going to take that and spin that. But then you've got the same media that takes infant newborn baby dies in in Connecticut from Coronavirus, and then you click on the hyperlink of the story and it says a woman a pregnant mother who had gestational diabetes and other health issues, develop Coronavirus, went to the hospital went into cardiac arrest. She died which is horrible. Then the baby was induced labor. The baby was born at 22 weeks early, which by the way, if you know anything about gestation of babies, the the survival rate is like eight to 12% with that really have a birth and the baby died and the governor came out and said we have a newborn baby that died of Coronavirus. That's fake news, Sean, that's fake news. That's a lie. People have got to wake up and go this is Bs and we got to do something about it. You know And by the way, medical boards, chiropractic boards. All these boards are trying to silence doctors like myself saying, We want you to stop talking about this. We want you because they're trying to serve their masters as well with your politicians. I'm trying to serve the people because doctors Latin for teacher and it says first do no harm. And that's what I'm all about.
Sean Morgan 23:19
Well, we do have the president defunding The World Health Organization. Fauci has been caught kind of as being a fraud, just contradicting himself having really horrible estimations about death rates have constantly revising, revising, revising. And so the need for mass vaccinations and mandatory vaccinations is just, it's not there. So hopefully people are starting to see through all of it. But you know, I think yet when I post this video on Facebook, and when my friends and family see the video that there's an interview questioning the Coronavirus. There's going to be a gut reaction. I don't know if I want to go here. I don't know if I want to think about this
Dr. Eric Nepute 24:04
we should Can I say something about that? Can I can I let me let me speak to that for a minute? Let's talk about the psychology behind that the mental processes behind that. So what you believe in life is your truth, right? Like whatever you believe is your truth. Would you agree with that? Like, I don't know what your faith is, but I'm a Christian, I believe that when I die, I'm going to have and I believe this is just my values, I believe the Christian values so so just let me give you an example. If my whole life I believe the Christian values live the Christian lifestyle, did all this stuff. And then I found out there was no God. Could you imagine? Like, could you imagine how much that would pull everything the rug out from underneath me? you imagine that? And then think about this? If I found out not to be true, then then what I would also find out is, if that's not true, then then I got to start questioning what else in my world is not true? And that's a scary question that most people aren't ready for, and quite honestly aren't mature enough to ask themselves. So I don't know if you know this, but neuro psychiatry is telling us that, you know 80 plus percent of our life is on autopilot. We're not even clearly thinking, we're subconsciously going through the world not even aware of our surroundings or what we're being told and what we're being fed to. So think about instead of the religion of religion, think about the religion of healthcare, if we've been taught our whole lives to worship at the doctor's altar to go to these giant you know, huge doctors offices in huge hospitals and they've got the answers and it's their way or the highway and if you don't do what they say, then you're crazy and you're wrong and and all this stuff. What if we found out that was not true? Then now they got to start questioning everything else that just like I said, Shawn, most people aren't ready to wake up for that stuff. So that's the psychology behind it my friend and and and I know that because I went through it like I told you, I wanted to be a surgeon, I was gonna do all this stuff. And then a doctor who was a chiropractor helped heal me from a problem that and I thought, My gosh, my whole paradigm just shifted because I was told those guys are quacks. They're not real doctors. They don't know anything. They don't have any education which by the way, chiropractors have the same education medical doctors do we have the same prerequisites as they do. We have the same four years of postgraduate education they do. We have the same pathology, physiology, pharmacology, we actually get more training in physiology than medical doctors doing physiology is how the body works, where we branch off as they branch off into pharmacology for everything, which is drug therapy, and we branch off into physiological treatment for everything. So and I'm not even saying we do this because in my practices, we work together. So we need to stop infighting we need to stop, you know, trying to separate our, you know, our communities because we're either white, black, purple, red, gray, or we're straight, gay, lesbian, or whatever. All that stuff needs to go out the window. We are human beings, and we need to raise our vibration and consciousness as humans so that we can come together and go, Hey, listen, everything's gonna be okay. I get it that everything that you were taught or some of the things that you were taught were wrong, but let's talk through it and there's a better there's a light at the end of the tunnel with all this darkness. But they gotta be willing to go down that path. And if they're not willing, you know, I always say, I throw life rafts out to people all day long. And if people want to get on, and that's their decision, if they don't, that's fine, too. We still have the freedom to choose. But what you say or think about, it doesn't really matter to me. I'm going to do what I do, because that's all I know to do. And you're going to do what you do, because that's what you know to do. And then the day, I don't care if you're famous, if you're infamous, if you're on TV as a doctor, if you're a lay person, a little grandma or a teacher, you got lives to positively impact and what are you doing to change people's lives positively every day, and if you're not doing anything, then I feel like you're living a meaningless life. That's just my, my thought process behind that.
Sean Morgan 27:40
Thank you for going into the with the root cause of that fear that people have for questioning the narrative. And I know for me myself, I have family I have a one year old child and and I'm trying to explore this topic so that I can keep my family safe. And so the way the The way that I know to do that is to do my own research. And so part of my research journey right now is talking to you and getting your perspective and, and I appreciate your thoughts. And so what I'm going to do is I'm going to put this out there so people can do their own research kind of get different perspectives about the Coronavirus narrative. I really appreciate your time. Is there anything you want to leave people with if they want to move forward to learn more?
Dr. Eric Nepute 28:24
That's a great question. And thank you for your time as well. Thank you for doing what you're doing. I will tell you yes, I would encourage you to go to comments itself on Facebook. What we've created is we've created a community and you know, we've got hundreds of thousands of people that are there. And it's a community that's that's talking to each other, it's a community talking about how can we help each other be more positive? How can we help you get through this time, from a health standpoint and, and from a wellness standpoint and a mindset standpoint, we've got doctors from all over the globe now that are contributing to that page so that people can do their own research. I just did an amazing interview this morning with Dr. Andrew Sol, PhD at in nutrition and the research that he's done, and he's actually working with the Shanghai government, and working with the doctors of Wu Han China on the vitamin C protocols, and all this stuff that's going on there, that's showing huge promise, I would just encourage you to look at both sides of everything. That's what I do. When I do my research, I look at both sides. And whatever makes the most sense for me. And that's what I'm going to go with, when I can wrap my head around. And that's what I'm going to do. And whether you, you you buy into the natural world, or you do it all, with the medical world, whatever you decide is fine. But as long as you're happy with it, and you do you and let other people do them, don't worry about what other people do. Like that's not going to affect you. Right, so so at the end of the day, we're going to get through this. There's a light in the tunnel. I'd love everybody go to common sense health on Facebook. And please let us know if there's anything else we can do to help you or your community. I'm happy to do that.
Sean Morgan 29:51
Thank you, Dr. Eric. Appreciate your time. And hopefully we'll be able to talk about this once everything's kind of shifted because this is a fast moving story. And I think Our nation is in recovery. And it's going to it's going to be looking a lot better soon with a lot more treatments. But I'm interested to see where it's going as far as vaccinations, and maybe we can touch base in a month and see where we're at.
Dr. Eric Nepute 30:12
Sure, I'd love to do that. Thank you. Great. Thanks so much stuff.
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