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Vice Interviewer 0:04
Okay, great. I think we're I think we're here. I think we're back.
Wonderful. So let's go ahead and get started. If you wouldn't mind, let's just start with you saying your name. telling us a little bit about yourself and where you're sheltering in place right now.
Sean Morgan 0:26
Yeah, so my name is Sean Morgan. I am in my mid 30s. I work in the technology field. And right now I'm sheltering in place. I don't want to say exactly where I am. But yes, I'm sheltering in place right now. Right.
Vice Interviewer 0:42
Sean, what do you what do you do for work? If you wouldn't mind sharing?
Sean Morgan 0:47
Yeah, I work in the sales, technology sales.
Vice Interviewer 0:52
And how long have you been doing that?
Sean Morgan 0:55
I've been working in technology for I don't know, 10 years or so. But sometimes sales, sometimes marketing business development. Great.
Vice Interviewer 1:06
And so, uh, I'd like to ask, Wendy, when did you first come into contact with Q and with the Q anon community about two years ago? And what was that? Like? How did you kind of happen to happen across this community? or How did you connect with the community?
Sean Morgan 1:27
I don't remember specifically, I know that I watch a lot of YouTube channels, independent journalists. And I believe that's how it happens.
Vice Interviewer 1:36
Oh, interesting. What was it about Q? And kind of what you were researching what you were finding? What was it that, you know, sparked your interest and made you want to kind of look into it more, and then really become a figure in the community?
Sean Morgan 1:52
Well, I started following a guy on YouTube called x 22. Report. And he does a daily news briefing does it once or twice a day once is on geopolitics once is on economic economics. And so he started to mention Q postings. And he started his his, uh, his program is really interesting, because he, he always takes the headlines of the day. And he weaves a narrative. And he usually brings in the Q posts. So as the key as Q is posting, and he's talking about current events, he weaves the narrative between the two and how they might be related.
Vice Interviewer 2:34
And what was it about that that spoke to you? or What was it about his ability to kind of take the news of the day, while also, you know, taking these kind of like briefings from Q or these interactions with Q that he had found and bringing them together? Was there an element of like, Oh, he's reading between the lines, or he's eliminating something you maybe haven't thought about?
Sean Morgan 2:58
Absolutely. You know, I, I was not a Donald Trump supporter in the last election. And really, yes, really, I voted for the Green Party. You know, before that I voted for Ron Paul, before that I voted for for Nader. So I've always kind of been someone who is interested in different perspectives. It's not necessarily left not necessarily right. But but different perspectives, sometimes libertarian, sometimes more in the Green Party side, caring more about the environment. And so, yeah, I wasn't a fan of Trump. I out I actually thought that Trump, his delivery was kind of crude, and I didn't really like the way he came across with his rhetoric. It seemed kind of aggressive and, and I wasn't a big fan. But when I when I started following x 22 reports, he started talking about all of these traps that Trump was doing, he was actually baiting the mainstream media and baiting the democrats to fall into traps. And you can actually see how this has played out with the Coronavirus because all of the mainstream media networks started calling it the China virus or the Coronavirus. And then Trump just use the exact same term that the mainstream media was using but then they turned around and called him racist for it. So then that's a complete trap. They fell into the trap. Now they look bad because they have all these headlines that are saved in the internet's you know, archives forever that they were the ones that call it the Chinese virus and the Wu Han virus first.
Vice Interviewer 4:34
And speaking of you know, COVID-19 and the Coronavirus what is it that you believe or what is it that the Q anon community has come to believe about the virus? I mean, do you think this is you know, kind of a naturally occurring virus that jumps from bats to people or from bats through some other intermediary animal and then to people. You know, where it is the Cuban community kind of overlap with what's going on with COVID-19
Sean Morgan 5:00
Yeah, great question. I don't think, you know, anyone really has a good grip on this. I've noticed that the mainstream media doesn't ask a lot of the questions that I would think would kind of be logical to ask to get to the bottom of it. You know, what, where is the true origin? You know, was it really the wet markets? In Wu Han? Or possibly wasn't the only level for bio lab in China, which is also in Wu Han? Is it manmade? Or is engine near? engineered? I really don't know. I mean, I don't have any of the answers. The q&a community is completely divided on everything. And the Q anon community does not have consensus on anything really. It's just that the big q posts and he gets he or this group of people gets us to think critically and gets us to think for ourselves. So that's what's really important to know about Q and Q anon community is is not group think it's not one opinion that everyone shares. And I just think it's really curious. The mainstream media is not asking questions, and not questioning the narrative that's going on right now. Like, for example, it could be vice media should be questioning other other mainstream media sources. Why is a hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine being demonized when the president says, Hey, you know, this, this seems safe and effective, when all of these studies come out this safe and effective and yet what you see are headlines of some kind of weirdo who drank fishtank cleaner. And he said it was because the president said that it was safe. And so I'm not seeing that the questions, the really important questions about Corona, are really being asked. And so I really don't have a clear understanding if it was manmade, or if it was a naturally occurring. I don't know, you know, I don't know why the why China didn't allow international scientists in there to to help us get to the bottom of it. I don't know why the World Health Organization said that there was no human human transmissions. You know, I don't know. I really don't know any of these things. And but I'm asking the questions on my YouTube channel, I'm looking at different perspectives. One of the perspectives is that it could be a bio weapon, the Department of Justice actually says that it might be a bio weapon. So China's talking about the bio weapon angle Iran is talking about the bio weapon angle, but you don't see it in American news. And I find that very curious.
Vice Interviewer 7:33
What are you more inclined to believe at this point, or based on the researching that you've done on your own? You know, where is where of your conclusion sort of started to collect? I guess?
Sean Morgan 7:45
It's really hard to know, because I really don't know what the level of risk is. I mean, if you look at with China, I don't think we're getting clear numbers of the actual number of people who are infected or have died. And they're really curious situations like 21 million cell phone accounts, closed recently in China. So people are wondering, hey, are any of those 20 million cell phone accounts people who actually died and that's why there's a large amounts or they're distributing urns, you know, in Wu Han, and then distributing a lot more urns for dead people's ashes, then there were recorded people who died. So I don't know the real risk. And I see in American media, I see that the media is whipping everyone up into a frenzy every time the President says that you should have hope you should stay calm. They accuse him of offering false hope and false optimism. First, you you hear experts talking about millions of people dying, and then they revise their, their kind of predictions to to being way, way, way, way less talking about less than 100,000. So I don't know, I really don't know if it's if it's natural or engineered. And I don't know if the risk is low or high. But it does seem from what I've researched, it seems like hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine. And some of these other other medications like zinc, and vitamin C, and some some other ones that are actually given concurrently, that they're very, very effective against this. And so what I find really curious, is why the media kind of demonizes these therapies and treatments. And I also don't understand the global coordinated lockdown. I don't know if it really matches the true risk if you compare it to the seasonal flu, or you compare it to a lot of other diseases and problems that we have.
Vice Interviewer 9:49
Right? But I mean, like, So considering the numbers as they stand right now. You know, they're saying that it has like a one to 2% fatality rate, but the ends Sort of pandemic like this, the number of known cases versus the number of reported cases are always, you know, it's always different, the actual versus the reported. So similarly,
Sean Morgan 10:10
plus we have the false positives for the testing and right when we have certain countries that test a lot more like the United States, you get a lot more reported infections,
Vice Interviewer 10:20
right. And so I mean, I think like, the shelter in place thing like so for me example, I've seen a lot of things across my social media. People talking about martial law, being really afraid of that and force quarantines. But to me, it seems more just like a very reasonable precaution, because even if, you know, the virus only has a 1% fatality rating, let's say just for the sake of argument, let's say like the state of New York, right is 17 million people, or 19 million people, roughly, you know, 1% of that is 1.9 million people, 1.7 2 million people dying in the state of New York, that's a lot. That's like, acceptable, really. So I think like the idea that it is still in our best interest to take part in these like social distancing or quarantines or shelter in place, however, we want to phrase it, it's still in everyone's best interest,
Sean Morgan 11:16
perhaps. And perhaps it is, perhaps it isn't, perhaps that the risk to the economy. For example, when you crash the economy, and then people, people can't work, they can make money. Right now, we're taking out trillions of dollars to try to deal with this situation. But how are we going to pay it all back? Right? A lot of people are depressed, you're going to see higher suicide rates. So so I do question whether a really prolonged lockdown would be beneficial if it ends up crashing the entire world
Vice Interviewer 11:52
economy. I mean, I agree with you there. And I think like psychologically, no one is really prepared to there's no way of knowing what this is doing to people. On a psychological level, or mental health from a mental health standpoint.
Sean Morgan 12:07
Yeah, especially elderly people, they really need connection with others, they're already struggle in elderly homes with being isolated. So then you give them weeks and months of more isolation, it can kill them. And yes,
Vice Interviewer 12:22
yeah. But from, I guess, your perspective, or where you're sitting and kind of the people, the folks who you're interacting with, and the circles where you have influence? What have you been, you know, what is the information that you've been putting out there about
Sean Morgan 12:36
Corona and COVID-19? I'm asking questions, I'm putting out what I do on my YouTube channel. Sometimes I'll take a thread from someone on Twitter, like Candice Owens, who's an excellent independent journalist. And she she's asking questions, she's putting out resources, and I look at her, her twitter feed and her threads, and I'll read them out loud, just record them and put them on YouTube. I'm exploring people who have medical backgrounds, people who are exploring the option that this could be engineered and not manmade. So there are tons of theories out there, we really all just have theories, because we don't have the hard evidence either way, especially when, when the origin is from a communist regime, they have a firewall to control all the information that comes in and out. So because we don't have the information, we have to create theories. And so that's, that's what I'm exploring on my channel. I have a YouTube channel. It's basically right now the focus is on q anon and Corona. I also have a website called que Amnon FAQ, which is basically a place that just has frequently asked questions and answers related to q&a.
Vice Interviewer 13:49
And if any of this like proprietary in any way, or is this something you're doing, no way to get information out, just to keep
Sean Morgan 13:57
the website has has an FAQ, it's free to access. If you you know, if you want you can get an ebook. It's a free ebook my youtube channel has has kind of a format of a structured course. So take those frequently asked questions and I answer them and provide resources and in a structured way that not a lot of people are doing in the community. So you could almost call it a free online course and q&a.
Vice Interviewer 14:25
Wonderful. And, Shawn, I'd like to ask you because this is something that I have seen on, you know, eight spoon and a couple other places. Even some of the folks that I follow on Instagram that I know are sort of falling in line with a lot of the with some of the theories that are being held in the queue community. Folks who were talking about, you know, this is Tom Hanks is under arrest for pedophilia. Alan degenerate is under arrest and being monitored and some of these other sort of democratic power brokers are Hollywood elite, and I'm calling is where this fits in with COVID and what your perspective is on sort of those types of theories.
Sean Morgan 15:10
Right, right. Oh well with with Tom Hanks. I have a few videos about Tom Hanks and it's interesting because he was accused of being a pedophile by Isaac Cappy who Isaac Cappy was like a big list supporting actor in Hollywood. And he came out he accused a list of people One of them was Tom Hanks. And and then Isaac Cappy mysteriously forced himself off of a bridge and then was hit by a car the route 66. And many people are wondering if that was a murder and not a suicide. We have a lot of these suspected suicides that are actually murders perhaps Jeffrey Epstein, as another example of a very suspicious suicide. And Tom Hanks actually made a posting on Instagram with a cap with the letter P and talked about roadkill on Route 66. So it was just really cryptic and weird and suspicious that the Tom Hanks who was accused by Isaac caffee of pedophilia, would make a posting like that you're out 66 and a cap with a pee on it. And these are the patterns that people are looking for. And Tom Hanks was publicly accused of abusing Sara Ruth ashcraft and Sarah Ruth ashcraft is a part of the Q movement is on Twitter and so people can go to her blog and read about her testimony of how she says she was raped by Tom Hanks. So people are very curious about Tom Hanks. And what's what his relationship is with pedophile rings because q the Q movement explores the idea that there would be pedophile rings and we have the arrest of Jeffrey Epstein two times for for child sex abuse a second time for child sex trafficking. And a lot of people including a list actors were on those private jets to his private island and it suspected that there was child sex abuse at those places. So people are really interested in these messages that Tom Hanks is putting out because they seem to be coded. Same thing with Ellen DeGeneres. Tom Hanks is putting out messages with Corona typewriters. I mean, who keeps a typewriter with them called Corona? And Madonna actually has the exact same Corona typewriter and she's putting out these these really weird coded seem like coded messages. Same thing with Ellen DeGeneres, she's wearing sweatshirts that have the words run Forrest Honestly, it seems like it's how these celebrities are trying to communicate with each other. And to be honest, I have no idea what's going on. I have no idea what they're doing in these social media posts, why they seem to have all of these messages. I don't know if there's any veracity to the claims of Isaac, Kathy, or Sarah Ruth ashcraft, that Tom Hanks actually committed any crimes. I'm just waiting and seeing how it all plays out. Because my understanding is that if people committed these types of crimes, then there that the president, President Trump's administration, with their executive orders against human sex trafficking and human trafficking, that there will be people investigating this, and it will come to light eventually.
Vice Interviewer 18:33
And on the COVID front have also seen some overlap between the Q community and a lot of anti vaxxers that I, you know, have seen also make their way onto my news feeds. And I'm just curious, you know, if you have any opinions or perspectives on or just in general, what you think about, you know, is COVID-19, a cover or a ploy from the government to force vaccinations?
I'm wondering what you're thinking about that.
Sean Morgan 19:03
Right. Well, there are countries in Europe that are already passing legislation about forced vaccinations. So that's definitely happening. Yeah, yes, that's, that's one of the things is floating out there. haven't looked too deeply into it. But a lot of people are very curious about Bill Gates, about the funding of certain patents of certain coronaviruses. They're very curious about things Bill Gates has said about digital certificates and vaccinations and making people prove that they're vaccinated or not. So it's a major concern, but I haven't looked looked into it. But I'm interested in interviewing people on the topic.
Vice Interviewer 19:39
And then, I'm just curious, where a lot of the proof for some of these theories comes from or is it just sort of like, you know, you see a post here, you see a photograph here and you kind of link it back, like, how are you all good? How are you all going about kind of supplying the concrete evidence to support some of these theories or add to their validity or is it just a matter of a lot of questions and associations? Mm hmm.
Sean Morgan 20:07
Yeah. So like I said, with with Tom Hanks and Ellen and all that. The only evidence we have are people like Sarah without ashcraft, who are first hand witnesses who say I was raped by this person. So I think people should look at it. I imagine there probably is an investigation because I believe she went to the FBI about it. So yeah, just a lot of questions, a lot of theorizing. And I really believe that we have an outsourced movement of people who are asking questions and investigating and as they share information with each other, that it will actually aid legitimate investigations from the authorities to to help.
Vice Interviewer 20:52
And do you ever think about, I'm kind of separate of, of, kind of the Tom Hanks Ellen DeGeneres? pedophilia rings for a second, but more focused on the the issue at hand now with COVID, and kind of just the fact that we're in this period of extreme uncertainty, right? Do you all kind of ever wrestle with the idea that either downplaying the severity, or at least questioning the severity of the threat that COVID poses to all of us, and causing others to kind of internalize that and question it themselves? Do you wrestle with the idea that it could be dangerous to spread this kind of messaging online?
Sean Morgan 21:37
I think that it could be dangerous. Either way, I think that what we've seen is that it could be very dangerous for the mainstream media to whip up panic and hysteria. For a risk that that might not actually be there. It looks like a lot of the people who are dying are elderly, and have pre existing conditions. So I think that it's important for people like myself, people like yourself, who consider themselves independent journalists and provoking thought out there, we need to ask the questions about China, we need to ask the questions about bio engineering, we need to ask the questions about the real risk. And I think that the irresponsibility is in not asking the questions, if we're all just quiet, and we all just follow whatever the authorities say whatever the media says, they will end up being in a situation we don't want to be in, which is not thinking at all that's really for for society. And also being more at risk. Because critical thinking is good for yourself, your family and your community.
Vice Interviewer 22:43
I mean, that's true. And I agree with you to certain point, but like, for example, right, I have a personal tie to COVID-19, one of my really good friends, his name is miles. He's in a medically induced coma right now. And I see you in New York miles is in his late 30s. You know, I hope every day that his condition improves. But as you know, like, no one can go into hospitals, I have no way of getting in touch with his family. So I just kind of got to wait and see hope for the best. And I just think that while I agree with you not asking questions, and kind of just taking everything at face value is dangerous, considering the fact that the government doesn't really know what's going on. They haven't done enough research, we don't have a lot of answers yet. The media therefore also doesn't know much about what's going on. All they can do is ask questions and preach caution. But for the rest of us, I think like, while it is healthy in a certain way of looking at it to ask these questions. The other thing is that's dangerous is that, you know, people are still dying. And yeah, death on a mass level is bad for everyone. It's bad for the economy. It's bad for all of us.
Sean Morgan 23:55
People are dying, real people are dying. This is not a hoax. So that that's important. You personally know someone, my heart goes out to you and to other people who have personal experience with someone infected or someone who dies. So so that's important to acknowledge. You can't downplay the reality you can't the loss of life. But you also, it's also really irresponsible to do. What's the mainstream media is doing, for example, posting a video of an Italian hospital that's crowded and saying that it's in New York City Hospital. Right? You know that that's not telling the truth. That's not giving people a realistic understanding of the true situation and the true area. You're getting reports of people that actually did not have covid symptoms, they went into the hospital for another problem. And then that because they tested positive after death, then they're declared COVID death publicly in the news, and then the family is saying, Hey, wait a minute, this is not No. This is just that people are going to test positive because a percentage of our entire population has has this. And so. So I'm not sure if that's helping things either. But I saw an interesting post of someone who said, I don't know anyone who has COVID. I don't even know anyone who knows anyone who has COVID. But I do know 58 people who lost their jobs. So that really brings it home. I know, I personally, I personally lost my job because of this shutdown. So So there are a lot more people who are affected that way. And so it doesn't make you wonder if the shutdown shutting down the economy could have a greater risk, as we discussed before people committing suicide, people not having being able to make ends meet economically, and just how it harms our entire global society when people are not working.
Vice Interviewer 26:01
And can I just ask you in wrapping up here, Sean, and I want to thank you for your time. You've been very generous this afternoon. When people throw around the term conspiracy theorist, right, and then it's often quickly follows behind queueing on, I'm curious how you feel about the connotation that the term conspiracy theories or conspiracy theories has and how you sort of wrestled with that? Or, you know, do you think of yourself to be a conspiracy theorist?
Sean Morgan 26:32
Yeah, good question. You know, the the phrase conspiracy theorists was created by the CIA, actually, because they use it as a technique to make people who think differently, seem like they're crazy. As we discussed today, we're all making theories. We don't have the hard evidence and the hard facts. We're waiting for this to develop and play out. So I think, you know, I think we might have different perspectives on this. But I think it's actually more responsible to create theories and talk about possibilities, and put it out there for people to think about themselves, rather than just accept the mainstream narrative. So I don't know if that's a good enough answer for you. But I think that I think the term conspiracy theory basically shuts down critical thought and it's just a label.
Vice Interviewer 27:19
The idea of free thinking, freedom of being able to question things, you know, is important. A civil liberties and stuff and, and preserving civil liberties? Really.
Sean Morgan 27:32
Yeah, I mean, it's not a misnomer, because you you are creating a theory and you're creating a theory that there is more than one party who's conspiring with another just like, with the Russia collusion theory, that turned out to be false. So the mainstream media had their own conspiracy theory that they put out there for a long time turned out to be false. But people do collude. Governments collude with other governments organizations collude with other governments, and people. So I think we need to consider that conspiracies are real that people do conspire and collude with others and create plans that may or may not be in our best interest.
Vice Interviewer 28:12
I mean, that's really interesting, Shawn, and I'm just kind of wrapping up here, since you kind of became a fixture in the Q community. Has this sort of impacted any other aspects of your life? Or is it something is your online happenings? Are they completely separate from your personal life?
Sean Morgan 28:35
I'm not sure about that. I think I just didn't know comment for now.
Vice Interviewer 28:39
Okay. Shawn, I appreciate you taking the time out today. And if we have any other questions, I'll make sure to get in touch with you. And we'll keep you posted on how everything's going.
Sean Morgan 28:50
Yeah, what's the timeline for the documentary release?
Unknown Speaker 28:53
Vice Interviewer 28:55
it's kind of a thing that's up in the air right now, but we're gonna try to get it out as soon as possible so people can watch it. And so we can like sort of start this dialogue around everything that's happening in the media right now. Because obviously, we're focusing on COVID and the sort of like, explosion of hysteria as you put it around Coronavirus and Coronavirus in general and like this one's specifically. So we're just trying to my God, Siri, we're just trying to. Yeah, like really sort of broaden the conversation and question everything. A lot like how we spoke about today.
Sean Morgan 29:35
So we talk in days, weeks or months, I would say weeks?
Vice Interviewer 29:39
Yeah, look, I would say maybe like, we'll probably finish all of our interviews this week. And then it'll be no more than eight to 10 days of cutting everything together. And it'll probably publish as soon as it finishes as soon as we finish editing. So yeah, I would expect like maybe 14 days. Great. Yeah. I appreciate it, man. Thank you. Thank you, Lee. Have a good one. Talk to you, too.