Will China Surrender In WW3? A Qanon Conversation With Paul Furber

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Sean Morgan  00:00
I'm Sean Morgan and I'm asking the hard questions about alternative topics like Q anon and Coronavirus. Get the free ebook at Q anon faq.com. Okay, I'm here with Paul Ferber. And, Paul, you're a researcher, journalists all kinds of things. You've been on my show many times. So welcome today. And I'm just wanted to ask you because we touched on this in the past, the idea of understanding a culture can help you understand geopolitics, and like the psychology of a culture and what motivates their actions. Specifically, since China is such a huge player right now in this information warfare that's going on. And I lived in China and worked in China for a short time. And it was one of the most bizarre experiences in my life just turned to everything that I know, to be normal. All these norms that I come to understand about Western civilization that we're all facing. flipped over. And I felt angry all the time because of that. So can you go into this idea of losing face and how that plays into everything?
 
Paul Ferber  01:10
I think the biggest the biggest division between countries like China, Japan and the West is group versus individual. So, in in a in a group culture you find your identity in in the group. So you show loyalty to the group,
 
Sean Morgan  01:30
like in Japan is something like I work for General Electric, and that's who I
 
Paul Ferber  01:35
am. Yes, exactly. And in China, you know that being a group culture means I Africa as a group culture by and large, black, you know, black, black Africa is a group culture. You show loyalty to your tribe, and in return, your tribe protects you and doles out the resources, which works very well on a lush but rather dangerous continent. Where your very survival depends on your loyalty to the group. I see this a lot in South Africa where we have this invisible division that almost nobody understands that white people are individual charges. So I'm a white Westerner effectively. You know, I've traveled us and in the world extensively, I've lived in the UK for a period when I was in the army. And I'm strongly a strongly white Western and my thinking, which means I'm an individual culture person. So I value individual achievement, self reliance, working in small teams independence, personal achievement, that kind of thing. That is completely foreign to a group culture, person or group church person values loyalty and the finding their identity in a group. And this is true in China and Japan. China and Japan are both group cultures where the the concept of finding your identity in the group, whether it be the nation, the village, I mean, it's not 100% one or the other thing, obviously, you know, I mean as a white Western individual chapter, I'm still a rabid Liverpool supporter and have been since birth practically. And I'm still, you know, I'm still an ardent Springboks supporter. So I'm a white, you know, individual culture, people tend to be individuals with some group affiliations, group culture, people tend to be loyalty to the group because my survival and my national my, my personal identity depends on it. So in China, it's actually been fairly straightforward for a small group, the CCP to control the nation by assuming that level of authority and telling them that their identity lies with as the Chinese nation lies with The Chinese Communist Party first it's not as easy as just you know, broadcasting propaganda all day long you need an iron fist behind that to make sure it gets enforced. The other the other interesting cultural debate while the other interesting talk not at division because I don't think there is such a will there is in the West, but it's it's the concept of face. So, in in Japan, I believe that it's I cannot remember the terms. I like to ask my daughter she lived in Japan for a year she did missionary work in IR Mori. It's I think it's tattoo me versus funny. It's the presentation versus the reality. And the, the perception of face is all important. Another losing face is very bad. So the Japanese and the Chinese will not. You know, you get I mean, I've seen this I've seen this in the business world. So a guy goes to Japan and makes a business proposal. Don't waste no time. American will go to Japan and he'll make a business proposal to a potential Japanese business partner and then the meeting he hears. Yes. What that means is yes, I hear you not. Yes, I agree with you. It's Yes, I hear you. Because to say no, is unbelievably rude because then you're making the other person lose face. So the concept of not getting a fence is very important. It's still important in some parts of the Middle East as well. Where the concept
 
Sean Morgan  05:29
can this relate to tie this into what's going on now? For example, the Chinese say yes to phase one trade deal, but in reality, they're they're pulling out all their biggest guns to work against you.
 
Paul Ferber  05:41
Exactly. And they say, yeah, they've spent literally a billion dollars saying that they're propping up the fact that their country is absolutely fine but presenting the facade that their country's absolutely fine, not the you know, and hiding reality that there's actually now somewhere about four and a half million Get, and they're in deep trouble up in the northeast, hundreds of millions of dollars, all designed to stop them losing face. And yet, that kind of cultural attitude does have its advantages, but it also it tends to be very vulnerable when reality imposes itself.
 
Sean Morgan  06:20
I'll give you an example of this. That's before I went to China and live there and work there. I had a perception that China was powerful. I had a perception I had a fear of China, I had a fear that perhaps this other superpower in the world would overtake us that's that their military might technological might, would be a real threat to us. And then when I got there on the ground and actually saw the level of intelligence of the average person, the level of autonomy of the average person, they have a million people in their army, but those people are really not a real threat to us because they don't have the ability to make decisions. by themselves and coordinate by themselves. So really, it's only the top 1% of China, that's a threat to us. It's not the whole country. Exactly. Whereas if you take a knee and you, you know, let's say that you and I are both American and you give us a gun, and we can go by ourselves, make our own plan, and we can fight off, you know, 5000 Chinese people who are not used to being given authority to come up with their own plan for that's
 
Paul Ferber  07:25
pretty much what happened in the Korean War, by the way. Smaller, you know, if you look, if you go and look up, you know, people like chesty puller, and other American heroes, the Korean War, were basically attacked by waves of Chinese and held them off because they were they had initiative, small teams, self reliance, independence, you know, a much looser, a much looser and looser sort of connection to the command. I mean, obviously, the command is still there, the hierarchy is still there, orders come from the top, but a lot more, you know, independence granted to smaller units,
 
Sean Morgan  08:11
you know, something that I noticed, between East and West, and this actually even relates to Eastern Europe and Russia has being distinctly different from Western Europe and Australia, South Africa, America, which is this idea of bonding, where, when an American I'll just because I understand the American culture best I'll just use as an example, when an American meet someone for the first time. They don't think to themselves, this person is a threat to me, this person I need to watch out for them manipulating me, we actually see a potential ally, and we bond with that person fairly quickly to the point where we would exchange our personal information or address or phone number and we might even share our secrets and our you know, like Two guys will talk about our wives and our problems together, we'll have some beers. And just spill it all, you know, because you know what? You seem like a pretty cool guy. And you're, you know, what do I have to lose? You know, basically, that's how we see friendships that you don't really have much to lose. In the Eastern Europe, in Russia in those types of cultures. They view a stranger as a potentially someone who could snitch on them and get them hurt. You know, this type of thing. So what ends up happening is that Americans have these lots of close friendships that are not actually that close. They're just kind of close, because that's how we treat everyone and then with the eastern side, they have these relationships where once they let someone into their inner circle, they become like a lifelong best friend. Exactly. Yeah,
 
Paul Ferber  09:56
exactly. The Germans to funnily enough The Germans don't have as much debt. They have a much further personal distance to acquaintances and strangers than Americans for instance. Yeah, exactly. Americans. I mean, I've sat in cafes and Amsterdam and chatted to American guys off the streets literally. And within 10 minutes, we've decided no, we must know we must now go to the old town and have a drink somewhere else. Because Yeah, that's how we are. German guy. Yeah, it's some of the even some of the German journalists I used to meet regularly on my trips to Europe. I would get to know these guys pretty well over several weeks of traveling around or reporting and conferences net, still not you know, I'd still know nothing about them personally. Whereas say the Middle Eastern guys I do physically prevents a friend from Cairo, from like inviting me back to his house because I happen to be in Egypt when he was there. And I couldn't I because I had to Catch plane. But he was, yeah, it was very difficult because, you know, I'd offered him a place I genuinely offered him a place to stay when I seen him in. I think it was Barcelona. Yeah. And, and then when I bumped him in Cairo, he then reciprocated immediately. And it was genuine and immediate. And it was brilliant. And I yeah, I still owe him. Yeah, I'm it. I owe you, brother.
 
Sean Morgan  11:27
And how does this? How does this How does this correlate to to nation states and their allies? You know, do do these? Because I'm seeing a split between Russia. Russia seems to be allying with the United States instead of China. What are your thoughts?
 
Paul Ferber  11:46
Yes, that's true. Russia, Russia scared of China. China wants to invade Russia, because China's done. China's economy has done that they're a mercantile economy and their biggest markets are going to the cemetery you know, like India, and Nobody else wants to deal with them. So yeah, China wants to invade Russia. In fact, China wants wants to invade the US they want Alaska. See was caught on tape said when he was flying out of the states last time he visited saying, Yeah, flying over Alaska says, Yeah, we need to come and take this from the Americans at some stage. So, so what I'm wondering nation states are a bit harder because of, you know, the the supranational powers behind the scenes. In other words, the NGOs, the secret societies, the international organizations that manipulate geopolitics, and almost all of them are against nationalism, I'm talking about the globalists, right? They want immigration for everyone they want, you know, one world governments, no nations, the you know, all peoples it's all you know, New World Order nonsense. So, nations character since certainly since the early 60s has been severely diluted severely diluted. My folks knew America very well in the 50s and 60s because they actually lived in Canada. And they visited the states regularly and they would not recognize the US now, we spoke about this a little last time I was talking about the different regional characteristics of the US
 
Sean Morgan  13:21
is fine. Donald McDonald's. Yeah,
 
Paul Ferber  13:22
the McDonald's effect. I mean, in the mid 90s, when I first been to the States, when I first started traveling to the states Originally, I could definitely see the regional character wherever I went. I mean, it's I'm not saying it's not gone. It is still there. But it has been severely diluted by immigration, by corporatism by globalism. You know, everyone has an iPhone, everyone has a smartphone that's much more of a sort of a marginalizing effect than you might imagine.
 
Sean Morgan  13:53
Now, we've talked about how China is a big player right now because they impact Fluence the DNC the influence very strongly that the media they seem to think that they have, they've bought and paid for both of those entities and therefore they have a right to, you know, dictate all the talking points and platform points, because that's how it works. Yeah, that's how it works there but they're not getting what they paid for and they're probably pretty upset about it. Yeah. And they probably know that they're losing. And so there's this Achilles heel with the whole losing face thing is that you can cut a deal with them. Right? How does that work?
 
Paul Ferber  14:35
I'm not sure. Well, I'm not just to add to your list. I know they've been trying to buy up Hollywood as well and haven't got very far. But yeah, there's been a lot of Chinese money pouring into Hollywood, las Ronnie. So but but if,
 
Sean Morgan  14:47
like, let's say the Chinese come to the terms that this isn't gonna work. You know, Donald Trump is going to get reelected. They're going to have to sign whatever trade deal he tells them to to sign You know, what's gonna make them toss in this towel and surrender, that we can use this this cultural aspect of their personality to help them save face in the process?
 
Paul Ferber  15:16
Well, it's interesting you say that I think what what Trump will do should have come to that is that he will. He will do the deal, but publicly He will make it look as though the Chinese actually won because Trump doesn't care. He doesn't care about first, but he's done this before the Chinese I mean, very early on, he publicly praised presently for dealing with the pandemic quickly. It It was only much later that he started condemning him for lying. It was obvious that he was but early on he said very fast action. Well DUNS the president. Good to see you know, when when North Korea North Korea and and America so you know when, when the Korean People's Army was wiped up behind the scenes and Kim started being allowed to actually run his own country for the first time ever. Prison Trump was very full of praise for China when he didn't need to be because thing is China. China treats North Korea like the little bitch because it has been for decades. So across North Korea talking directly to Americans and insult China. So Trump was kind of, you know, praising China and making sure they don't lose face and all negotiations and somehow he managed to get away with it. I mean, Kim was secretly in Camp David in March. I know that for a fact. He was inking the deal on a historic agreement between North and South Korea, and we'll see that sometime this year. That will happen or maybe early next year, because this year is quite busy in the US as we've been talking about. how you deal with Yeah, how you deal with China is you negotiate hard but you Make it look publicly as though China actually one China came out on top I think that's the way to do it
 
Sean Morgan  17:06
yeah I don't know specifically what that
 
Paul Ferber  17:09
face it's vital they don't lose face
 
Sean Morgan  17:12
yeah but maybe something like a deal on the table like hey you We won't prosecute these people in your party are similar Do you think that they're going for like toppling like regime change like toppling the communism? I don't
 
Paul Ferber  17:28
know I don't know I don't think so. Know that the issue now with China is to stop it from declaring war on the rest of the world because it might do and you know, as it collapses, somebody high up not at the very top but somebody high up with new codes or whatever might decide to do something stupid. Big they can see it a couple of weeks ago that chart you know if the Chinese tried to in something stupid Taiwan has six new aimed right at Beijing. And they were made in Israel. And they weren't. I mean, that was direct warning to the Chinese, posted on 4chan, and yeah, they got the message. But
 
Sean Morgan  18:12
how much? How much of the CCP do you think is infiltrated by the cult?
 
Paul Ferber  18:18
No, no, they hate they hate the cup. No, the Chinese cannot stand the New World Order. They know nothing
 
Sean Morgan  18:29
is like a completely independent fleet. The Chinese
 
Paul Ferber  18:31
or the Chinese know the Chinese cannot the Chinese and the Russians hate the New World Order with a passion that's actually hard to put into words probably even more than Americans. What the
 
Sean Morgan  18:42
hell? Why did the the New World Order work so hard for the last few decades to transfer all the wealth from the west to China?
 
Paul Ferber  18:50
Well, manufacturing because because that was a that was a function of weakening the waist rather than enabling China. Remember, they had this plan All along the China would catch a cold headed so probably 30 years.
 
Sean Morgan  19:06
In that case that makes China in the US and ally against.
 
Paul Ferber  19:11
Yeah, well, do you remember Trump's trip to the Far East in October? November 2017? Yes, he was fated in the Forbidden City. That never happens. Never. That was unprecedented. milania wore a dress which became an instant national treasure. Trump's granddaughter speaks fluent Mandarin. She sang songs in Chinese to the premiere at the dinner. Do you remember that? I remember I
 
Sean Morgan  19:37
was actually in China around that time. And and they were waving American flags on the street like they were welcome saying
 
Paul Ferber  19:46
that you were that happens. Not allowed. Yeah, no. Trump Trump's trip to the Far East. That trip was to say guys, we are taking down the Rothschild, Soros, the queen, all the all the top members of the pyramid, and we are your friends in this. So yeah, at the time, yes. But then, you know the the accident happened. This is kind of like virus headline things have changed.
 
Sean Morgan  20:17
This is kind of like the ally that we had in the Soviet Union during the World War Two where it was one year, I haven't really power game back,
 
Paul Ferber  20:25
you will get back to Russia and America are actually much more similar, then especially most Americans think. And I know Putin and Trump worked very closely together behind the scenes on all sorts of things because again, Russia is another nation that cannot stand the New World Order. Cyrus has permanently banned, you know, yeah, they just they're a proud, white nationalistic nation with a long cultural heritage. And then, you know, and Putin has come out openly and said, New World Order, worship Satan. Sorry, I want nothing to do with it. So Yeah, Russia is going to be a very useful ally.
 
Sean Morgan  21:04
Since then, both China and Russia, they don't view Americans as an ally, the way that Americans think of certain countries as allies for, they won't commit to that relationship because they're so Machiavellian in their, their way of looking at, like, humans trusting and just being suspicious of everyone. And I think that played out in Syria being with Russia and America kind of playing his enemies there.
 
Paul Ferber  21:33
Yeah, yeah. Meanwhile, meanwhile, of course, Trump actually wants the Russians to look after Syria, because it's not his neighborhood.
 
Sean Morgan  21:40
So he think that was just a way of us testing each other's military capabilities.
 
Paul Ferber  21:45
No, that Yeah, no, that was that was. That was somebody bluffing Trump and him calling the bluff? Yeah, don't you know don't Don't play games with me because I will. I will not hesitate to use lethal force if necessary. But ultimately, it was very few casualties considering that now, the US is pulling out of the Middle East forever. And the Saudis and the Russians, and the Israelis can look after it because it's their neighborhood, really. It's not the US, especially now the US in an energy independence and is about to secure Venezuela's oil, which isn't great quality, but at least it's, you know, on your doorstep, rather than being in the Middle East with all its tribal histories.
 
Sean Morgan  22:34
Right. I mean, when you look at the entire world, you could be pretty happy just controlling the Western Hemisphere. So yeah, yeah. It's a it's a huge, it's a huge territory. And there's so much geopolitical. It is a power vacuum right now in the entire Western Hemisphere. And so, of course, America would be the logical one to to fill that Well, thank you for your thoughts on this. I think we're definitely gonna see if the things that we're theorizing about are actually true regarding Russia and China and then allies. And, and also with the public accountability. We'll see. Steve Bannon has said that perhaps CCP official will be in like Nuremberg style trials. But you're saying probably, we're not going with a regime change here. Yeah, I
 
Paul Ferber  23:30
don't know. I don't see why other nations would have to worry about that. But maybe there are plans to do it. I think it's crazy. I think, especially if it's coming from the States. I don't think it's
 
Sean Morgan  23:40
it's good enough to get rid of a 6000 year old death cult and then maybe deal with the communists later.
 
Paul Ferber  23:45
Yeah, exactly. All these things are sequence based. You just do one thing. Then you move forward to the next and the next. The wheels turn slowly, but they do turn. And yeah, there's a few wheels coming around right about now. At home in the US, and that's going to be very interesting.
 
Sean Morgan  24:04
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